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Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:15 am  |
| I am not getting any lift? I am doing regular treatments and am pretty attentive to proper position, even wrote it all down on a face chart I made myself. Still no lift!?? Notice the little pouches, where marionette lines would be a little more pronounced? What gives? I so wish I were seeing what so many others are talking about. Any Hints? LD |
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Mon Feb 15, 2010 8:55 am |
| Someone posted about neck and back massaging machines she found at Bed Bath and Beyond. For the life of me I can't remember which thread she posted and am on my way to buy. They sounded great for the neck and lymph massage and she was thrilled, Just want to make sure I buy the right one. Any one remember where this was posted. It was recently, I just read it yesterday and forgot to bookmark it for future. Any help would be great, Thanks LD |
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Tue Feb 16, 2010 12:11 pm |
| LD wrote: |
| Someone posted about neck and back massaging machines she found at Bed Bath and Beyond. For the life of me I can't remember which thread she posted and am on my way to buy. They sounded great for the neck and lymph massage and she was thrilled, Just want to make sure I buy the right one. Any one remember where this was posted. It was recently, I just read it yesterday and forgot to bookmark it for future. Any help would be great, Thanks LD |
Hi. I think it was Ilina's Revitalash Hair, massager, & paddle brushing thread on the Product Review page. She has sooo many cool gadgets! Sorry, don't know how to post a linky. 
Anyhoo, the massage is making things worse??? |
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Wed Feb 17, 2010 6:50 am |
| Peggogotty, Thank you so so much for finding that thread for me. i spent hours yesterday looking for where i found that massager. i went to bed bath and beyond. Saw it for 39.95 and didn't think it was the right one because i thought Ilina's price was different. Now I'm so mad I didn't pick one up. As far as Tanaka goes I don't think things are worse just now major WOW improvement. I have alot of smile lines and one that is deep and goes all the way down my face when I smile, Hard to describe but I hate it. When I pull my skin just a fraction towards my ear it looks more like me. I guess just the normal progression of things but i was hoping Tanaka and facial exercises would make improvement. So far nothing. The nasolabial movement in Tanaka, the one where she says these lines will be gone for good!! Nothing great there either. I really am giving it my best shot but discouraged I guess. Again Thank you, LD |
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:37 am |
The bumps have subsided. I'm going to try this massage again. This time, I'm using egonaturals Pinetarsol cleanser, which is an anti-inflammatory.
I find that halfway it gets a little dry though, so I'll wet my fingers.
I hope I dont get any breakouts again! |
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:04 am |
| Hi, LD, You and I are in the same boat regarding Tanka massage. I so relate to your "What gives?" question. |
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:59 am |
| LD & Mars, at first with Tanaka massage I saw some improvement but then those little pouches on sides of mouth started to look more pronounced. I only do it now once a week for the lymph drainage. |
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Bella1
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Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:39 pm |
I started Tanaka but I left it a few days because my face looked more gaunt ....
I think maybe this massage works for Oriental people but my face is not doing well, I'm western face.
Bella1 |
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:55 am |
| I'm glad I'm not the only one noticing these things. I too thought my face was looking more gaunt. Kept doing Tua Viso and Ageless cheek exercises to keep things in balance. It feels good but I'm not seeing the miracle. Maybe my face needs that extra puffiness in the right places to look right? Maybe I'm just too critical!! Left the house yesterday feeling pretty "cute" then got a look in the mirror at someone else's bathroom with lots of natural light and thought Holy Cr#p is that what I really look like out of my comfort zone of low lighting mirrors?!! LD |
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Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:12 am |
Unfortunately, i've also noticed the tanaka massage creating a gautness on both sides of my mouth...it's unfortunate because i love the way the massage feels..so i now leave out some of the steps that impact negetively on this area..and focus on others that still support my facial rejuvenation.
i'm starting the Tian Yong rejuvenation program today (just received my dvd)which is a facial acupressure rejuvenation program..since i feel it may support my paeticular face.. as a whole...better than the tanaka massage....since i don't believe it involves any intense moving/stretching of the skin..just intensified pressure along certain meridian points. |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:00 am |
| moonstone wrote: |
Just want to comment that Critic look SUPER young in person when I met up with her in person this evening, maybe even better than she looked in the photos that I saw before. And her complexion is totally flawless with an amazing glow. She is TOTALLY lovely and friendly!
Critic is a huge inspiration to me and I will keep on doing Tanaka's massage diligently!!! |
HELLO! Back from my long vacation! Thank you for Moonstone's compliment, I met her once I landed in Hong Kong so still look OK that evening. However, I have stopped the Tanaka massage during the whole trip because not having the right cream/foam to massage. Ate too much junk + did not exercise and not having foot bath for few weeks, will need a few weeks to re-shape myself.
Moonstone is the most caring person I have ever met, she collected all kind of samples and gifts for me to try. Moonstone looks great, she is elegant and stylish and I don't think she needs any facial exercises at this stage.
BTW, I bought and used the Olay Regenerist Micro Sculpting Cream during the trip, I am seeing result immediately even without the Tanaka massage. It is so much better than many other expensive cream.
http://www.olay.com/reviews/readyourreviews.do?pid=re1017 |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:14 am |
Hey critic
happy new year! have not seen you in a while. Did you celebrate chinese new year in hongkong too?
What results are you seeing with the Olay Regenerist Micro Sculpting Cream? Maybe it can complement the tanaka massage |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:32 am |
| faeriedust wrote: |
Hey critic
happy new year! have not seen you in a while. Did you celebrate chinese new year in hongkong too?
What results are you seeing with the Olay Regenerist Micro Sculpting Cream? Maybe it can complement the tanaka massage |
Kung Hey fat Choy! Got the books? I went to Taipei for a week, then stayed in HK for New Year.
I actually see very good result with Olay in few days, it has tighten my skin and it is not oily. Honestly, even better than Valmont! So happy to give it a try, besides the cream, I also bought this (the packing in Hong Kong and China is different with the US)
http://www.olay.com.cn/products.aspx?id=32 |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:28 am |
haha yes I got them a while ago. Thanks!
ooo taipei! I like taipei. Im glad you enjoyed your new year.
I guess I'll give the cream a try too.  |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:54 am |
| Bella1 wrote: |
I started Tanaka but I left it a few days because my face looked more gaunt ....
I think maybe this massage works for Oriental people but my face is not doing well, I'm western face.
Bella1 |
I find this comment a bit annoying. Race is a social construct, not biological. If you read through this thread, I'm sure you'll find that there are quite a few caucasians who do find this massage effective, as well as quite a few Asians who do not find it effective (and naturally, the same goes for those of African descent, south Asians, etc.) Please do not make generalizations based on your own individual results. |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:25 am |
I don't know what Bella meant, and I do not think the structural differences of the faces matter much in lymph draining massage (which Tanaka massage is about), but if you look at the bone massage, then it does matter.
I know it is a different thread all together, but this current thread has mentioning of bone massage many times (actually, I learned that one exists from this thread).
So when I looked into bone massage closely, I felt that it is too bad they show it applied to only one face type (which is, of course, Asian as the show was produced/aired in Asia). But looking at what the bone massage is trying to achieve, I felt a bit sad, 'cause I wish I could apply it to work on my issues somehow, but I do not know the right moves as my face is far from Asian type and has different bone structure to start with.
So in this sense, yes, the race or face type matters a lot. |
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Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:29 am |
Ella ...
Doba gave the web address to a russian website and all the bone execises are listed there.Russians facial structure is lot like caucasians (right?) and they were doing those exercises and getting results so I dont think those exercises are not for caucasians ....I guess a good english translation would be nice to understand the concepts better.BTW all fACIAL bones are named the same in ALL the anatomy books you will read.... |
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Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:03 am |
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| BTW all fACIAL bones are named the same in ALL the anatomy books you will read.... |
 - I have no doubt that all the bones in all the face types are named the same!!! However we are concerned about their size and position, especially if we are talking about moving/reshaping them applying pressure.
I was trying to search for the link, but Doba has so many posts... Could you, please, repost it if you know where it is?
I saw earlier in this thread the link to Russian site for Tanaka massage, but not the bone massage. I hope you are not confusing the two... |
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Sun Feb 21, 2010 7:46 am |
| ella-stella wrote: |
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| BTW all fACIAL bones are named the same in ALL the anatomy books you will read.... |
- I have no doubt that all the bones in all the face types are named the same!!! However we are concerned about their size and position, especially if we are talking about moving/reshaping them applying pressure.
I was trying to search for the link, but Doba has so many posts... Could you, please, repost it if you know where it is?
I saw earlier in this thread the link to Russian site for Tanaka massage, but not the bone massage. I hope you are not confusing the two... |
Right. I see what you mean. Still, there are probably a lot of folks, not just Asians, who have the same concerns that the bone massage addresses (I don't know what these areas of focus are specifically, since I'm not familiar with the bone massage myself). Just a reminder, a race isn't a species. |
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Sun Feb 21, 2010 3:10 pm |
| JLM wrote: |
| Just a reminder, a race isn't a species. |
Well said JLM !
And welcome back Critic! |
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Sun Feb 21, 2010 11:03 pm |
Ditto what JLM said and ella-stella.
Tanaka massage is a lymph massage so I believe it hardly affects the facial bones.
If its bone massage, now you're talking! Each person's bone structure differs so I guess that's why there are groups to differentiate them eg, caucasian, asian etc. |
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Bella1
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Tue Feb 23, 2010 2:56 pm |
I meant because of the Asian face shape, more rounded, softer face, small nose, almond eyes, very pretty faces, but maybe they like them thin face, my face I like the Asian type, I would fill my cheeks, as they do.
I have not seen any videos of shows doing Tanaka in west face, with the before and after (if anyone has seen him put the link please).
Possibly here there will be people who are not Asian but have a rounded face and they works the Tanaka, in my case I had to leave since I left the emaciated face, gaunt (in my case), I looked tired.
I don't think that anything wrong or ofensive with my comment, the Asian face, is a type of face. I hope not to have bothered anyone, if so it wasn't my intention, sorry.
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Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:01 pm |
The Tanaka may address lymph drainage, but the desired effect appears to focus on reshaping the face. That's what the pictures seem to emphasize, vs, say, a reduction in undereye puffiness or a more vibrant complexion (which I would have assumed to be the major benefits of improved lymphatic circulation). So if the actual result is a reshaped face vs better circulation, Tanaka may not be as satisfactory for a narrow face.
The fact that the massage is promoted on a Russian site means little. Most of Russia is in Asia, and Russians of Asian ancestry represent a significant minority of the population. |
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Tue Feb 23, 2010 9:12 pm |
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| Most of Russia is in Asia, and Russians of Asian ancestry represent a significant minority of the population. |
That could not be further from the truth.
These parts used to be a part of Soviet Union, but now are separate countries, and not a part of Russia.
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Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:16 pm |
| sigma wrote: |
| Hermosa wrote: |
| Most of Russia is in Asia, and Russians of Asian ancestry represent a significant minority of the population. |
That could not be further from the truth.
These parts used to be a part of Soviet Union, but now are separate countries, and not a part of Russia.
HTH |
Not true. See, for example, http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/asia/ru.htm or http://www.visitrussia.com/russia-map.htm
or any other map of Russia from the last 20 years or so!
True, most of the population is in Europe, and the majority are ethnic Russians, but the country is still a vast melting pot of ethnic minorities. |
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