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Sat May 07, 2011 7:35 am  |
I agree this is terrible and I knew this man would have had a higher dose that what is normally used for cosmetic purposes.
What I think is important is this:
“Botox can migrate outside the injected muscles and cause side effects including botulism and severe autoimmune reactions with resulting brain damage,” Ray said in the complaint.
Even though we all are led to believe botox stays where it is injected, that is simply not the case and that can happen with 10, 20, 30 units, it doesn't need to be a high dose.
I've connected with women who have been getting botox for 5 or 6 years. Some of them have said (after having quite a bad reaction and then reading more about botox side effects) that looking back they can see they did have symptoms all along, such as fatigue, headaches, muscle aches and pain, anxiety, etc., but it wasn't bad enough to connect the two together until they had a really bad reaction.
Is there actual proof that botox 100% leaves our body totally after a certain period of time? |
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Sun May 08, 2011 10:45 am |
| Wow, that's scary Lily. I'm glad that you are starting to feel somewhat better. Was the person who actually gave you the botox a doctor (or just a technicien)? Do you know how much they injected? I was under the impression that botox needs to be injected into the muscles rather than just "anywhere" was wondering if your reaction resulted from the botox being injected incorrectly so that the toxins quickly spread throughout your body? |
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Sun May 08, 2011 12:03 pm |
I had 35 units injected by a dr (plastic surgeon with a good reputation). I am under the impression that it was not injected incorrectly. I didn't have any bruising or swelling, etc.
I think it spreads and I think it spreads although some people don't think they are affected.
Some of the women I've talked to that have gotten it for years have said they had symptoms, but they didn't connect the two together. |
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Sun May 08, 2011 1:18 pm |
| It sounds like if you have multiple areas injected or a lot of botox concentrated in one area, you are asking for trouble. Maybe stagger injections over time. |
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Sun May 08, 2011 1:53 pm |
I'm not sure if that is the case. 35 units, according to what experts say and what the norm is, is not very much.
I agree that having a very large amount (100 + units) makes one more vulnerable BUT I have heard of people getting as little as 4, 10, 20 units or just having one area done and having a reaction that was worse than mine (same intensity but they struggled with huge symptoms for much longer).
I just think there are too many "unknowns" for botox to be considered safe. I guess what seems to be too good to be true, usually is. |
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Sun May 08, 2011 2:02 pm |
| It certainly sounds like you did everything right Lily. If you had said it was done in a spa or at a botox "party", Then I'd assume the person didn't have enough training, but with an MD/cosmetic surgeon, he's obviously had tons of training. There's something called "dysport" which is supposed to be similar to botox, or maybe it's just a different brand of the same toxin, but I wonder if that would cause the same reaction in you, not that I think you'd be willing to try, not do I blame you for not wanting to! |
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Sun May 08, 2011 2:14 pm |
Dysport: I've read about it but there are just as many people posting about reactions to that. I agree that there are some people who react to dysport and not to botox and vice versa.
I think I said this earlier in this thread that this whole experience has caused me to look closely at how we see beauty in our society and what we're willing to do for that. I'm all for eating well, staying fit, etc., but there has to be something wrong with the fact that so many people are willing to inject themselves with a neurotoxin just to keep wrinkles at bay.
I wouldn't try either of those two toxins again nor would I try any fillers, etc. I'm going to do what I can to age gracefully without harsh interventions and see how I do. I also think that is the best way to be a good role model for my daughter. |
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Sun May 08, 2011 2:16 pm |
| Forgot to mention that someone told me Dr Oz is doing a show on Botox side effects this Tuesday. I don't normally watch TV so not sure what time and channel but thought I'd mention it in case any of you want to check it out. |
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Tue May 10, 2011 6:24 pm |
| Lily, did you watch Dr. Oz's show? I just watched it but while it was somewhat informative, it seems that the people who had a bad reaction were not given Botox, but were given the raw version of it, (from what I understood) from which Botox is made from. Apparently they found 200 doctors in the USA had purchased not Botox, but that raw, super powerful-it-can-kill-you version. Dr. Oz said if anyone goes to a doctor for Botox, they should scrutinize the bottle of Botox and make sure it hasn't been opened yet, that it is from Allergan and that name would appear in a hologram on the bottle, and to be sure it says Botox for cosmetic purposes. They didn't talk about reactions from people who were given actual real Botox although that is not to negate your experience with it. Unfortunately, they also didn't name the 200 doctors in whose offices they found the raw version, so no way for all those people out there who had bad experiences to know if their version was real Botox or some other version. |
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Tue May 10, 2011 6:38 pm |
I didn't watch it because I had read the preview and saw it wasn't going to be about what I (and so many other people) have gone through which i was disappointed about.
I read it was about people getting botox from unqualified injectors (not dr's) in the back of a salon, etc.
That was NOT the situation with me as I went to a reputable dr/PS and not the case with the other woman I've been in touch with who were injected by just as qualified dr's/neurologists, etc.
I'm sure the dr I went to used official botox as it said that on the form I signed and he is too well known in the city to use anything else.
I was hoping the show would be about women getting injected correctly by reputable physicians and having it spread. Obviously if you're getting a neurotoxin injected by someone at the back of a nail salon who is not qualified, you risk having issues and I am not aware of anyone who would actually get botox done in that manner. |
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Wed May 11, 2011 5:13 am |
Yes, but the very fact that Botox can be injected by someone who is certified in one day opens up a whole new arena for "predator docs" who work in day spas,salons, etc. Botox is a dangerous substance and all one needs to do is go to the Botox site for FULL disclosure. Also, there's more than a few people who have been hurt by Botox injections by "qualified dermatologists or plastic surgeons." When you inject something into your facial muscles, you take the risk of it migrating elsewhere in the body. This is a very scary scenario and some are paying a very high price in the name of beauty....they are paying with their lives. There are some doctors who have used Botox to treat certain conditions in children. Some of those innocent children have also paid with their lives. The United States is in bad shape. The FDA does NOT protect the citizens of this nation and they are in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry. We, the consumers are at their mercy if we choose to believe everything they say and do not educate ourselves about the risks. It's a huge mess.  ~ Aprile |
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Wed May 11, 2011 6:39 am |
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| Yes, but the very fact that Botox can be injected by someone who is certified in one day opens up a whole new arena for "predator docs" who work in day spas,salons, etc. Botox is a dangerous substance and all one needs to do is go to the Botox site for FULL disclosure. Also, there's more than a few people who have been hurt by Botox injections by "qualified dermatologists or plastic surgeons." When you inject something into your facial muscles, you take the risk of it migrating elsewhere in the body. This is a very scary scenario and some are paying a very high price in the name of beauty....they are paying with their lives. There are some doctors who have used Botox to treat certain conditions in children. Some of those innocent children have also paid with their lives. The United States is in bad shape. The FDA does NOT protect the citizens of this nation and they are in cahoots with the pharmaceutical industry. We, the consumers are at their mercy if we choose to believe everything they say and do not educate ourselves about the risks. It's a huge mess. ~ Aprile |
Can you provide the percentages of children who had negative outcomes from botox for treatment of eye disease compared to the successes?
My youngest of 4 had surgery for esotropia (1 form of strabismus) at Wilmer Eye Institute, John's Hopkins. Her surgeon is one of the most revered pediatric opthamologists in this country and I see on their site he now does use botox as an alternative to surgery in some cases. |
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Wed May 11, 2011 7:13 am |
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| aprile wrote: |
| There are some doctors who have used Botox to treat certain conditions in children. Some of those innocent children have also paid with their lives. ~ Aprile |
Can you provide the percentages of children who had negative outcomes from botox for treatment of eye disease compared to the successes?
My youngest of 4 had surgery for esotropia (1 form of strabismus) at Wilmer Eye Institute, John's Hopkins. Her surgeon is one of the most revered pediatric opthamologists in this country and I see on their site he now does use botox as an alternative to surgery in some cases. |
Sorry about your youngest - hope she is better now.
I don't see where Aprile mentioned 'eye disease' in particular. She did mention that there have been children who have died from Botox. That's a sad fact.
http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/080208/fda-warns-of-childrens-deaths-linked-to-botox.htm
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Wed May 11, 2011 7:19 am |
| Gidget wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| There are some doctors who have used Botox to treat certain conditions in children. Some of those innocent children have also paid with their lives. ~ Aprile |
Can you provide the percentages of children who had negative outcomes from botox for treatment of eye disease compared to the successes?
My youngest of 4 had surgery for esotropia (1 form of strabismus) at Wilmer Eye Institute, John's Hopkins. Her surgeon is one of the most revered pediatric opthamologists in this country and I see on their site he now does use botox as an alternative to surgery in some cases. |
Sorry about your youngest - hope she is better now.
I don't see where Aprile mentioned 'eye disease' in particular. She did mention that there have been children who have died from Botox. That's a sad fact.
http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/080208/fda-warns-of-childrens-deaths-linked-to-botox.htm
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Gidget |
No need for an apology, my now 22 year old daughter has perfect vision in every way including depth perception and peripheral vision, but thanks.
My understanding is that this is one of the few medically accepted reasons for use of botox in children. |
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Wed May 11, 2011 7:32 am |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Gidget wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| There are some doctors who have used Botox to treat certain conditions in children. Some of those innocent children have also paid with their lives. ~ Aprile |
Can you provide the percentages of children who had negative outcomes from botox for treatment of eye disease compared to the successes?
My youngest of 4 had surgery for esotropia (1 form of strabismus) at Wilmer Eye Institute, John's Hopkins. Her surgeon is one of the most revered pediatric opthamologists in this country and I see on their site he now does use botox as an alternative to surgery in some cases. |
Sorry about your youngest - hope she is better now.
I don't see where Aprile mentioned 'eye disease' in particular. She did mention that there have been children who have died from Botox. That's a sad fact.
http://health.usnews.com/usnews/health/healthday/080208/fda-warns-of-childrens-deaths-linked-to-botox.htm
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Gidget |
No need for an apology, my now 22 year old daughter has perfect vision in every way including depth perception and peripheral vision, but thanks.
My understanding is that this is one of the few medically accepted reasons for use of botox in children. |
Thats great about your daughter's outcome DM.
The most commonly reported use was treatment of limb muscle spasticity associated with cerebral palsy. http://www.enabledkids.ca/?p=68
Anyway, bottom line is that people need to be informed, and if they decide to use Botox - they should not only look examine the box, but remove the lot# and info from the box to take home for their records.
That's why this is a great thread. Good info.
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Wed May 11, 2011 7:40 am |
| I read the link you provided and see it is used to stop spasms in those with cerebral palsy, there is already a warning by Allergen...Currently, the drugs' label warns against using these products in people with neuromuscular disorders. However the FDA is looking into stricter warnings. |
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Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:29 pm |
| I recently had a small amount of botox injected into my frown lines by a reputable plastic surgeon. I was told that it would kick in 4 days later. Two days after the injection (B+2) I developed pain in my lower back. B+4 I started getting a headache, feeling nauseous and lousy in general. Also, my eyes started to feel a little irritated and my eyelids felt puffy (though they didn't appear to be so). At this point I started surfing the Internet, which made me totally panic, which surely exacerbated my symptoms. I literally felt the toxins seeping down into my eyes (or so I thought). I also developed some numbness and slight twitching in my hands. I went back to the doctor who naturally said it was completely unrelated, that he's never had anyone ever complain of any side effects. I laid off the ibuprofin, etc., after reading the drug interaction list someone posted and cut back a lot on caffeine. B+9 (after a lot of hot baths, acupuncture, rest, and some working out), I am starting to feel better. I hate that I like the result because once all these symptoms fully subside in the next few days (fingers crossed) I may well forget how awful it's been. Anyway, just wanted to post this so that if you find yourself freaking out B+4, you get some comfort that it won't be permanent. |
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Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:39 am |
Doctors have always known that traces of Botox get left behind in the internal organs.
Recently they discovered that traces also get left behind in the brain.
Those 'traces' must mount up over the years. |
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Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:37 am |
| I recommend you use Argireline10% minimun . It's not like botox but does a similar effect and is not as risky. |
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Tue Jan 14, 2025 12:40 pm |
I’m so sorry to hear about your experience—it sounds incredibly stressful. While serious side effects from BOTOX® are uncommon, it’s completely understandable to feel worried when your body reacts unexpectedly. It’s good that you sought medical attention and contacted the office that administered the treatment.
Flu-like symptoms, muscle aches, and headaches can sometimes occur after BOTOX®, but they’re typically mild and short-lived. What you’re describing sounds more intense, so it’s important to continue monitoring your symptoms and consult a doctor if they persist. |
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