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Wed May 19, 2010 4:18 am  |
This is a great example of what I meant, as she does mention it in the video briefly (the English version) but I suspect that its emphasised a lot more in the book, which is why I think it would be wonderful to have an English version.
Does she say to be gentle round the eyes, or is that something you have found yourself Critic?
When you say its not a facial massage, what is it?
| critic wrote: |
| In the video and book, Tanaka has said we have to add strength and pressure in all steps, it is not a facial massage, but pay attention around your eye area, I usually do it very gently. |
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Wed May 19, 2010 5:04 am |
Well, let me try to show you some results I had with Tanaka.
I created a Photobucket album with 2 pairs of photos. The first 2 photos are made under the most unflattering light conditions. I make horribly severe faces in the first pictures, because I believe that is how I can check my development. In the second two pictures I smile, so I hope I look better. I changed my hair-color, it may be distracting.
I hope the link works.
http://s794.photobucket.com/albums/yy221/zsuzsapiros/ |
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Wed May 19, 2010 5:10 am |
| Sycamore - whats the time in between the photographs, and how long were you doing Tanaka for (twice a day etc). |
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Wed May 19, 2010 5:16 am |
| The photos with brown hair were taken this time last year. Actually I had lost a lot of weight (8 kilos in 2 months) before that, so I looked pretty gaunt due to that. Nevertheless I have been facial exercising for ages. Also during the time I lost weight. When I realized I looked like hell, I started Ageless a couple of months ago and added Tanaka about 1,5-2 months ago. |
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Wed May 19, 2010 5:44 am |
| Sycamore wrote: |
| The photos with brown hair were taken this time last year. Actually I had lost a lot of weight (8 kilos in 2 months) before that, so I looked pretty gaunt due to that. Nevertheless I have been facial exercising for ages. Also during the time I lost weight. When I realized I looked like hell, I started Ageless a couple of months ago and added Tanaka about 1,5-2 months ago. |
Thanks for sharing the photos, so how long you have started Tanaka - 2 months? |
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Wed May 19, 2010 5:46 am |
| 1,5 I would say. |
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Wed May 19, 2010 7:12 am |
Critic,
somewhere in all the Tanaka notes, it says it is very important to do the massage on scrupulously clean skin.I either wash first using my Clarisonic, followed by toning lotion or else I use cleansing milk followed by toner. I always take the massage oil off after wards with a micro-fibre cloth, unless it is a special mix for overnight treatment. HTH.
Rubby,
yes, I think it is correct that you should feel a little tired in the hands when you first start this technique, if your hands are not used to turning & moving in strange directions, & yes you should be pressing reasonably hard in some parts & gently in others. Yoga helps keep hand muscles limber & flexible, downward dog & stick make very, strong & flexible hands. |
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Wed May 19, 2010 9:27 pm |
| I did this for about a month, and it seemed to work well. But damn me, I'm too lazy to keep up with it! |
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Thu May 20, 2010 4:19 am |
Cooking Katy your correct, she also says it on the video that its very important to do it on clean skin, and I imagine thats because your be pressing dirt into the skin if you didn't (lovely image).
Love to hear more about these yoga hand exercises though.
| Cooking Katy wrote: |
somewhere in all the Tanaka notes, it says it is very important to do the massage on scrupulously clean skin.I either wash first using my Clarisonic, followed by toning lotion or else I use cleansing milk followed by toner. I always take the massage oil off after wards with a micro-fibre cloth, unless it is a special mix for overnight treatment. HTH.
Rubby,
yes, I think it is correct that you should feel a little tired in the hands when you first start this technique, if your hands are not used to turning & moving in strange directions, & yes you should be pressing reasonably hard in some parts & gently in others. Yoga helps keep hand muscles limber & flexible, downward dog & stick make very, strong & flexible hands. |
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Thu May 20, 2010 8:57 am |
Hey everyone. I am new here and so glad I found this forum. I have just started the tanaka massage and only done it twice, and hopefully i am doing it right. i am following the youtube video english version self massage....i just use my really light smooth facial moisterurizer in the morning to do it bc im prone to breakout so oil would be no good. My main concern is my big fat cheeks..my face is full in the upper and lower cheeks, and so when i smile or even without i have the nasolabial folds...they are not too bad and mostly i would guess from having a full face my entire life. i hate the crevice/fold from the side angle by my nose, it drives me crazy and looks awful in pictures. i look twenty pounds overweight in pictures and im not. do you think its possible this massage could lift up a heavy cheek area enough to make a difference? what other programs should i use? I was thinking maybe ageless but i have seen ppl talking about it on here and im not sure if its good for what i am trying to do. it seems everyone gets different results and sometimes the opposite of what i want.
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Thu May 20, 2010 9:42 am |
| None of us knows for sure if we are doing it correctly but it seems to work for a lot of people so we keep at it. I would recommend the Ageless as it is inexpensive and gives you a taste of facial exercising so you can see if it's for you. If you don't like the results, you can always stop -- nothing is permanent. |
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Sat May 22, 2010 2:15 pm |
Just thought I'd touch base and mention I've been using vaseline for the last two weeks for my daily tanaka massage and still no spots.
Good cheap alternative to bear in mind. |
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Sat May 22, 2010 3:48 pm |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
Just thought I'd touch base and mention I've been using vaseline for the last two weeks for my daily tanaka massage and still no spots.
Good cheap alternative to bear in mind. |
Vaseline????!!!! Wow,I would totally assume that vaseline would cause breakouts. I started with Tanaka 8-9 days ago, and I've been alternating between emu oil and apricot kernel oil (mostly apricot, though). I clean my face well before and immediately after the massage, and - so far so good, no major breakouts (and I am acne prone and always have few breakouts going on  ) |
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:26 pm |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
Just thought I'd touch base and mention I've been using vaseline for the last two weeks for my daily tanaka massage and still no spots.
Good cheap alternative to bear in mind. |
I thought Vasaline is very sticky and not easy to move on the face.
Besides Obagi cleanser, I am also using La Colline massage cream, because it is very expensive so I am using 2-3 times/week or when I look very tired but the result with massage cream is amazing. |
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Sun May 23, 2010 10:28 pm |
| whatisperfect wrote: |
Hey everyone. I am new here and so glad I found this forum. I have just started the tanaka massage and only done it twice, and hopefully i am doing it right. i am following the youtube video english version self massage....i just use my really light smooth facial moisterurizer in the morning to do it bc im prone to breakout so oil would be no good. My main concern is my big fat cheeks..my face is full in the upper and lower cheeks, and so when i smile or even without i have the nasolabial folds...they are not too bad and mostly i would guess from having a full face my entire life. i hate the crevice/fold from the side angle by my nose, it drives me crazy and looks awful in pictures. i look twenty pounds overweight in pictures and im not. do you think its possible this massage could lift up a heavy cheek area enough to make a difference? what other programs should i use? I was thinking maybe ageless but i have seen ppl talking about it on here and im not sure if its good for what i am trying to do. it seems everyone gets different results and sometimes the opposite of what i want.
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I am sure Tanaka massage works, I used to have a big round chubby face (with double chin) and now everyone is asking if I have lost weight. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:08 am |
How can you be so sure that this is solely the result of Tanaka and not the TCM stuff you have been doing. When I saw your photos, I would guess that the diet changes you have made would play a more important role than Tanaka.
| critic wrote: |
I am sure Tanaka massage works, I used to have a big round chubby face (with double chin) and now everyone is asking if I have lost weight. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:15 am |
| I guess Japanese girls tend to have wide faces so one of the aims of Japanese self-massage programs is narrowing the face. Mine has narrowed too by the Tanaka massage. Ms Tanaka mentioned in the video that it was good for massaging facial fat away. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:28 am |
| critic wrote: |
| This is Miranda wrote: |
Just thought I'd touch base and mention I've been using vaseline for the last two weeks for my daily tanaka massage and still no spots.
Good cheap alternative to bear in mind. |
I thought Vasaline is very sticky and not easy to move on the face. |
I don't experience any problems with movement with the vaseline; it's no different from when I was using the oils. I do use a good dollop then after I wipe it off with toner.
| TheresaMary wrote: |
| How can you be so sure that this is solely the result of Tanaka and not the TCM stuff you have been doing. When I saw your photos, I would guess that the diet changes you have made would play a more important role than Tanaka. |
Just to make a comment on this, I can totally understand after seeing Critic's photos, it was easy to assume she had actually lost weight hence her face looked better. But after doing the Tanaka massage for 2months twice a day (first time round), I just felt there was a difference in my own face - it was very subtle but definitely lifted and looking more toned. And my weight never budges.
This time round after doing the massage since 1st April only once a day, it has taken longer to see any improvement but I am beginning to 'sense' it now.
I think some faces response very well to the massage and if incorporated with a (reasonably?) good diet and skincare regime and dedication to doing the massage daily, I believe it can have the sort of dramatic face-changing effect Critic has photographed. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:46 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
How can you be so sure that this is solely the result of Tanaka and not the TCM stuff you have been doing. When I saw your photos, I would guess that the diet changes you have made would play a more important role than Tanaka.
| critic wrote: |
I am sure Tanaka massage works, I used to have a big round chubby face (with double chin) and now everyone is asking if I have lost weight. |
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Of course I'm sure, no one knows better than myself. I have taken good care of my diet for many years, have not seen any changes on my face. TCM has improved my health and complexion, but not changing my round fat to small. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 5:50 am |
| Sycamore wrote: |
| I guess Japanese girls tend to have wide faces so one of the aims of Japanese self-massage programs is narrowing the face. Mine has narrowed too by the Tanaka massage. Ms Tanaka mentioned in the video that it was good for massaging facial fat away. |
It's true, same in China and Hong Kong that many spa offer "small face treatment", we tend to have big round faces (we call pizza face), and everyone is trying their best to change the shape of their faces. Even if we attend the make-up class, they also focus a lot of how to make the face look smaller by using different high-lighter and foundation. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 6:06 am |
Please understand, I'm not saying I disbelieve Critics photos, what I am questioning though is how much of an impact the massage has alone, and how much of the diet changes that Critic made did result in her photos.
I think its unrealistic for people to believe that they can get the same results just through the massage alone is the point I was making and so wondered what sort of percentage the massage made up. I'm not saying anything of her photos - as there are clearly major differences but for me the before photos had shiney skin texture, and the after photos looked less shiney which I am guessing is because she consumed less oily foods perhaps thats effected her skin this way? I'm thinking aloud here - I don't know for definite.
From what you said before Miranda, with the outbreaks you had, and from memory haven't you been using a HF machine also I'm curious as to know if the changes you are seeing are solely due to Tanaka or coupled with other things you have done? There is no way to be 100% sure.
It makes me wonder if any massage would be beneficial results. Although Tanaka has gotten most coverage here, there are many forms of massage out there, and they always say that massage is beneficial for the tissue.
Its not that I'm against Tanaka - I'm not at all. In fact I did it in the beginning and had great results, but I can't help but wonder if any form of massage would stimulate the tissue.
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| TheresaMary wrote: |
| How can you be so sure that this is solely the result of Tanaka and not the TCM stuff you have been doing. When I saw your photos, I would guess that the diet changes you have made would play a more important role than Tanaka. |
Just to make a comment on this, I can totally understand after seeing Critic's photos, it was easy to assume she had actually lost weight hence her face looked better. But after doing the Tanaka massage for 2months twice a day (first time round), I just felt there was a difference in my own face - it was very subtle but definitely lifted and looking more toned. And my weight never budges.
This time round after doing the massage since 1st April only once a day, it has taken longer to see any improvement but I am beginning to 'sense' it now.
I think some faces response very well to the massage and if incorporated with a (reasonably?) good diet and skincare regime and dedication to doing the massage daily, I believe it can have the sort of dramatic face-changing effect Critic has photographed. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 6:11 am |
How can you be so sure? Reason being is if your face had fat before, then maybe this was effecting your general health - but now that your health has improved could it remove fat from the face too? To what percentage do you believe that Tanaka alone has done that to your face as you have done other things no?
| critic wrote: |
| Of course I'm sure, no one knows better than myself. I have taken good care of my diet for many years, have not seen any changes on my face. TCM has improved my health and complexion, but not changing my round fat to small. |
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Mon May 24, 2010 6:45 am |
It maybe a bit ridiculous from a newcomer to post photos all the time, but I am sure that it was exclusively Tanaka that made may face thin, and i have to try to prove it somehow.
So my latest pic is the first one, the other is 1 year old. I had lost weight before that. So no weight loss lately. Minor diet change, I do not eat dairy and wheat but eat rice, potatoes, any other starch and tons of meat, so no weight loss. I was facial exercising at the time of the before pic, the only difference in my routine is tanaka, and some supplements, but they do not make you look thin faced I take it. As the matter of fact I need some more weight on my face, so I am not sure I am happy about this change. But addicted because of NL folds especially.
http://s794.photobucket.com/albums/yy221/zsuzsapiros/?action=view¤t=car.jpg |
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Mon May 24, 2010 8:25 am |
| TheresaMary wrote: |
From what you said before Miranda, with the outbreaks you had, and from memory haven't you been using a HF machine also I'm curious as to know if the changes you are seeing are solely due to Tanaka or coupled with other things you have done? There is no way to be 100% sure.
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No, not me using HF! I think that's JLM.
I started all my gadgets and things (apart from Safetox which I've already tired of using) back in Sept/Oct. There has been nothing new apart from the Tanaka in April. Am I 100% sure me being happier with my face is down to the massage; of course not - I could be a freak whose face shape improves with age!!
What tells me that it's the Tanaka is where my face shape improves - it follows the lines of the massage and let's face it, an improvement both times after doing the massage with a 3 month break is abit of a coincidence.
However I do appreciate the skepticism - I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it for myself!! |
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Mon May 24, 2010 9:20 am |
CRITIC:
I had a look on the La Colline website below for the massage cream you mention, but cannot find it, any help please with its exact name?
http://www.lacolline-skincare.com/en/lignes.html
Other posters here:
I think it is absolutely possible for the Tanaka massage to re-shape the face, it is clearly a strong feeling of pressing bone & muscle which I believe would cause reshaping.
I have massaged my face for years, with a number of different facial massage routines but never with a system that felt anything like Tanaka, the only similarity is that many important acupressure points are pressed, particularly around the eyes, mouth, cheek & forehead, but the pressure is much greater with Tanaka & not the usual gentle circular motion used with other facial massage routines.
MIRANDA:
I don't want to go off topic but am surprised you have given up on Safetox, it is bril for lifting the brow & opening the eye area.Why have you abandoned it? Perhaps a posting about this on the Safetox thread, I would really like to hear your thoughts on Safetox. |
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