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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:52 am   |  
          | well I am building up for a big roll(1mm) today and I am going to follow Bethany and put Reluma (instead of AA) post roll. It will be interesting to see if I have the same reaction to reluma as she did with AA. 
 Although, I am not such a bleeder, I do have bleeding, more like pin pricks and redness and swelling.
 
 so I shall report later
 
 
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:24 am   |  
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| well I am building up for a big roll(1mm) today and I am going to follow Bethany and put Reluma (instead of AA) post roll. It will be interesting to see if I have the same reaction to reluma as she did with AA. 
 Although, I am not such a bleeder, I do have bleeding, more like pin pricks and redness and swelling.
 
 so I shall report later
 
 
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:26 am   |  
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 whats EL? its fine on here, not inferring its not, I really am curious.
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 Sorry for not getting back sooner, Tiny. Yes, the EL is Estee Lauder and I had asked Bethany if she would be willing to test the EL Advanced Night Repair Concentrate after her next roll. It has worked wonderfully for me when my skin is irritated, etc., and I wanted to see how it compared.
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 You and Bethany, please still report here, but you might want to cross post this on the rolling thread, so others know which help. I know I've been reading that thread, but others might not be reading this one. hope that makes sense
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 6:53 am   |  
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| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |  
| well I am building up for a big roll(1mm) today and I am going to follow Bethany and put Reluma (instead of AA) post roll. It will be interesting to see if I have the same reaction to reluma as she did with AA. 
 Although, I am not such a bleeder, I do have bleeding, more like pin pricks and redness and swelling.
 
 so I shall report later
 
 
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 Not to be a killjoy but what did the pics show? From what I read the picture was the Sunday morning after using a dermastamp all red and swollen, then AA was used after the picture was taken and a report that AA soothed the skin but no picture showing any of that?
 
 I am really confused as to just what that was supposed to show us?
   
 Good luck to you Sylvia!
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:00 am   |  
          | Please someone show me where you are reading this any differently? So we have a picture of Sunday morning after the stamping but before the AA was applied, and that shows us what? 
 
 
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| I used AnteAge 24 hours after a dermastamp treatment...my skin was very red and horribly bruised.  As expected, the bruising was still there this morning, but a lot of the redness had diminished.  I have not used AnteAge post-treatment in the past, and it does appear to speed the healing. |  
 As mentioned above, I used a dermastamp on Saturday night, and had the following appearance on Sunday morning:
 
 
   
 I started applying AnteAge on Sunday night thinking that it might help reduce the redness a bit, and it was reduced quite a bit the next morning.  I continued to apply it 2 to 3x a day, and shockingly probably 90% of the irritation and bruising was gone by mid-day on Wednesday.
 
 Considering that this was the worst bruising I have ever experienced with needling, I was surprised to see it dissipate so quickly.  But I am not complaining, and will definitely use AnteAge after my next needling session.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:16 am   |  
          | I think were just missing the after pics, If I read it right, thats what her eyes looked like Sunday morning, with rolling Sat night? 
 I do know I had a pretty bad oops from the PMD a month or so ago (right under eye area, top of cheek) big long very red mark, used the RL and it was gone the next morning, well teeeny bit still there, but it didnt scab or do what my usual opps did. I did saturate it, but it worked.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:22 am   |  
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| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |  
| well I am building up for a big roll(1mm) today and I am going to follow Bethany and put Reluma (instead of AA) post roll. It will be interesting to see if I have the same reaction to reluma as she did with AA. 
 Although, I am not such a bleeder, I do have bleeding, more like pin pricks and redness and swelling.
 
 so I shall report later
 
 
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 Not to be a killjoy but what did the pics show? From what I read the picture was the Sunday morning after using a dermastamp all red and swollen, then AA was used after the picture was taken and a report that AA soothed the skin but no picture showing any of that?
 
 I am really confused as to just what that was supposed to show us?
   
 Good luck to you Sylvia!
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 DM, are you inferring that I didn't really have results?  Unfortunately I do work and don't always have time to take the pics that you might like to see.  But I would hope that my longstanding forum reputation, and the before and after pics that I have previously shared over the years have established my reputation as being truthful and forthcoming to the benefit of all EDS forum members.  I am VERY disappointed that you made the above statement about me, but frankly not surprised at all.
 
 If you can point me to your Reluma before and after pics, I would love to see them.  In fact, I don't think you have ever posted any here on EDS, despite your extensive post count.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:22 am   |  
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| I think were just missing the after pics, If I read it right, thats what her eyes looked like Sunday morning, with rolling Sat night? 
 I do know I had a pretty bad oops from the PMD a month or so ago (right under eye area, top of cheek) big long very red mark, used the RL and it was gone the next morning, well teeeny bit still there, but it didnt scab or do what my usual opps did. I did saturate it, but it worked.
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 Don't get me wrong I am not saying whatever is not working, I am saying just showing a picture of how something looked BEFORE and not AFTER really does not show a thing except how her skin responds to a dermastamp.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:24 am   |  
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| Please someone show me where you are reading this any differently? So we have a picture of Sunday morning after the stamping but before the AA was applied, and that shows us what? |  
 DM, I will be more than happy to take a complete set of before and after pics on my next extensive roll just to satisfy your need for more info and your unnecessary attack on my personal integrity.
 
 I challenge you to do the same.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:25 am   |  
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| I think were just missing the after pics, If I read it right, thats what her eyes looked like Sunday morning, with rolling Sat night? 
 I do know I had a pretty bad oops from the PMD a month or so ago (right under eye area, top of cheek) big long very red mark, used the RL and it was gone the next morning, well teeeny bit still there, but it didnt scab or do what my usual opps did. I did saturate it, but it worked.
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 Don't get me wrong I am not saying whatever is not working, I am saying just showing a picture of how something looked BEFORE and not AFTER really does not show a thing except how her skin responds to a dermastamp.
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 And what do your posts saying that your lines have disappeared from RL show?
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:26 am   |  
          | You may wish to read my post now above that I posted at the same time as you. I am not implying anything about your reputation just what I posted in response to Tiny, to be precise a picture of your skin's reaction after using a dermastamp SHOWS nothing in regards to healing from any product applied after that picture was taken. 
 
 
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| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |  
| well I am building up for a big roll(1mm) today and I am going to follow Bethany and put Reluma (instead of AA) post roll. It will be interesting to see if I have the same reaction to reluma as she did with AA. 
 Although, I am not such a bleeder, I do have bleeding, more like pin pricks and redness and swelling.
 
 so I shall report later
 
 
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 Not to be a killjoy but what did the pics show? From what I read the picture was the Sunday morning after using a dermastamp all red and swollen, then AA was used after the picture was taken and a report that AA soothed the skin but no picture showing any of that?
 
 I am really confused as to just what that was supposed to show us?
   
 Good luck to you Sylvia!
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 DM, are you inferring that I didn't really have results?  Unfortunately I do work and don't always have time to take the pics that you might like to see.  But I would hope that my longstanding forum reputation, and the before and after pics that I have previously shared over the years have established my reputation as being truthful and forthcoming to the benefit of all EDS forum members.  I am VERY disappointed that you made the above statement about me, but frankly not surprised at all.
 
 If you can point me to your Reluma before and after pics, I would love to see them.  In fact, I don't think you have ever posted any here on EDS, despite your extensive post count.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:31 am   |  
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| Please someone show me where you are reading this any differently? So we have a picture of Sunday morning after the stamping but before the AA was applied, and that shows us what? |  
 DM, I will be more than happy to take a complete set of before and after pics on my next extensive roll just to satisfy your need for more info and your unnecessary attack on my personal integrity.
 
 I challenge you to do the same.
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 It has not a thing to do with integrity I already explained that so take it or leave it?
 
 I don't do challenges and I don't post pictures personal choice.
 
 The difference is I have no need to prove anything to anyone, but if I were going to do so I would take both before and after or not bother posting any, JMHO.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:45 am   |  
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| Please someone show me where you are reading this any differently? So we have a picture of Sunday morning after the stamping but before the AA was applied, and that shows us what? |  
 DM, I will be more than happy to take a complete set of before and after pics on my next extensive roll just to satisfy your need for more info and your unnecessary attack on my personal integrity.
 
 I challenge you to do the same.
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 It has not a thing to do with integrity I already explained that so take it or leave it?
 
 I don't do challenges and I don't post pictures personal choice.
 
 The difference is I have no need to prove anything to anyone, but if I were going to do so I would take both before and after or not bother posting any, JMHO.
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 I choose to leave it...you were very clear on what you were implying.  I never said I would post before and afters for AA...I shared a pic of what the dermastamp did, and a basis for the type of healing that it did help me with.  Not for AA before and after promotion.
 
 But unless you are setting a better example through your own personal actions, you should really not be criticizing other forum members.
 
 And FYI, I have no need to prove anything either...I post and share pics to help other forum members.  But that is why my posts are focused on skin, and not back and forth chatter.
 
 Once again, I am very disappointed in this personal attack. I knew that you had no limits on sellers here, but I had no idea that you would extend that attitude to me personally.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:55 am   |  
          | I can see you are determined to take it as some hidden personal attack on your character which was not ever the intention. I incorrectly made the assumption the purpose of your posting the picture on the celesse review thread would be for the purpose of showing how AA helps in healing....my bad. 
 Banter boy this place needs some more of that, and a wee tad of fun to boot.
 
 
 
 
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| I choose to leave it...you were very clear on what you were implying.  I never said I would post before and afters for AA...I shared a pic of what the dermastamp did, and a basis for the type of healing that it did help me with.  Not for AA before and after promotion. 
 But unless you are setting a better example through your own personal actions, you should really not be criticizing other forum members.
 
 And FYI, I have no need to prove anything either...I post and share pics to help other forum members.  But that is why my posts are focused on skin, and not back and forth chatter.
 
 Once again, I am very disappointed in this personal attack. I knew that you had no limits on sellers here, but I had no idea that you would extend that attitude to me personally.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:03 am   |  
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| I can see you are determined to take it as some hidden personal attack on your character which was not ever the intention. I incorrectly made the assumption the purpose of your posting the picture on the celesse review thread would be for the purpose of showing how AA helps in healing....my bad. 
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 You made it personal and told me to take or leave it...no apology in there anywhere.  There was nothing hidden about your attack at all.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:11 am   |  
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| I am making a sincere search, but I can find no clinical trial data on any of those sites, or anywhere google takes me. If you have seen any, I would really appreciate a link or some clue as to where. I will e-mail also, but was hoping for something quickly. Again, I thank you in advance for helping me out.-Nan |  
 Nan, I am curious if you emailed Reluma and if you got a reply on your questions about clinical trial data?
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:33 am   |  
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| I am making a sincere search, but I can find no clinical trial data on any of those sites, or anywhere google takes me. If you have seen any, I would really appreciate a link or some clue as to where. I will e-mail also, but was hoping for something quickly. Again, I thank you in advance for helping me out.-Nan |  
 Nan, I am curious if you emailed Reluma and if you got a reply on your questions about clinical trial data?
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 I am not sure anyone has asked. But I did see on cellvitals before and after pics using a medical camera showing where lines were and were they are not. Sorry I am not good on the tech names. I don't know if that would interest you or not.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:48 am   |  
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 I am not sure anyone has asked. But I did see on cellvitals before and after pics using a medical camera showing where lines were and were they are not. Sorry I am not good on the tech names. I don't know if that would interest you or not.
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 Hi Tiny. Yes, I have seen those, as well. I was just curious if Nan had gotten a reply from Reluma since she was so interested in the clinical trials.
 
 On a side note, my dryness is improving and I have have no more pimples on my face. I am only using the Reluma serum on my face twice a day now.
 
 Since it was questioned on another thread what else was in the mix, I thought I would share what exactly I am doing for my trial. I do not use any gadgets at all. (Had used the tiny dermaroller about two or three times before I stopped using everything to prepare for this trial.) I exfoliate with a scrub twice a week(Joanna Vargas exfoliating mask) since it was implied that exfoliation was important with this product. I use Suntegrity sunscreen (5 in 1 product) and now my Eucerin redness relief cleanser (nothing special but does not dry my skin out). I apply the Pai rosehip oil or plain coconut oil on my skin 1 hour or so after applying the serum. That is all I am using other than the Reluma serum on face and AnteAGE on neck/chest. Just wanted to clear up any confusion as to what exactly I was using.
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:56 am   |  
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 I am not sure anyone has asked. But I did see on cellvitals before and after pics using a medical camera showing where lines were and were they are not. Sorry I am not good on the tech names. I don't know if that would interest you or not.
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 Hi Tiny. Yes, I have seen those, as well. I was just curious if Nan had gotten a reply from Reluma since she was so interested in the clinical trials.
 
 On a side note, my dryness is improving and I have have no more pimples on my face. I am only using the Reluma serum on my face twice a day now.
 
 Since it was questioned on another thread what else was in the mix, I thought I would share what exactly I am doing for my trial. I do not use any gadgets at all. (Had used the tiny dermaroller about two or three times before I stopped using everything to prepare for this trial.) I exfoliate with a scrub twice a week(Joanna Vargas exfoliating mask) since it was implied that exfoliation was important with this product. I use Suntegrity sunscreen (5 in 1 product) and now my Eucerin redness relief cleanser (nothing special but does not dry my skin out). I apply the Pai rosehip oil or plain coconut oil on my skin 1 hour or so after applying the serum. That is all I am using other than the Reluma serum on face and AnteAGE on neck/chest. Just wanted to clear up any confusion as to what exactly I was using.
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 Yeah on the dryness!! I just discovered I have not really been using the PMD right all this time
  ! I've only gone over face once, while thats good, its not going to get me "PMD" results. One should go over the areas several if not 3 times. So I think I've just been doing a great exfolliation instead. |  
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:59 am   |  
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| Yeah on the dryness!! I just discovered I have not really been using the PMD right all this time
  ! I've only gone over face once, while thats good, its not going to get me "PMD" results. One should go over the areas several if not 3 times. So I think I've just been doing a great exfolliation instead. |  
 LOL. Well, even if it was not used correctly, the great exfoliation seems to have helped, and you are having results, which is all that matters (and all any of us are looking for!).
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:02 am   |  
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| Yeah on the dryness!! I just discovered I have not really been using the PMD right all this time
  ! I've only gone over face once, while thats good, its not going to get me "PMD" results. One should go over the areas several if not 3 times. So I think I've just been doing a great exfolliation instead. |  
 LOL. Well, even if it was not used correctly, the great exfoliation seems to have helped, and you are having results, which is all that matters (and all any of us are looking for!).
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 I agree, but I am now pisssssssssed at myself at the results I might of been getting LOLOLOL!!! oh well, live and learn
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:26 am   |  
          | hey Tiny I shall probably be very well oiled when I post        |  
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:27 am   |  
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| hey Tiny I shall probably be very well oiled when I post        |  
 I look forward to it then
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          | nice we can be "wellied"(sorry scottish term) together, I am beginning the prep, roller in milton , steamer getting hot,emla opened, antibacterial wipes (still to find, dogs fed, children, fed and well occupied  ,) what have I missed  Oh yes vital most important ingredient wine to open       
 I am truly mad and possessed, think I need help
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          |  | Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:47 am   |  
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| 10Sylvia5 wrote: |  
| nice we can be "wellied"(sorry scottish term) together, I am beginning the prep, roller in milton , steamer getting hot,emla opened, antibacterial wipes (still to find, dogs fed, children, fed and well occupied  ,) what have I missed  Oh yes vital most important ingredient wine to open       
 I am truly mad and possessed, think I need help
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 well your way ahead of me its only noon here! I still have to run and get contacts, grab food, hide dogs, take shower put on jammies then do face! oh wait open wine somewhere in there
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