Environ AVST & Ionzyme
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free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 12:56 pm

rileygirl wrote:

bethany wrote:

They only are good for 8-12 weeks after opening and it is recommended to use them 2x a day. So buying a product that you can only tolerate 1x day may result in leftover product with declining potency.

That is why they are more expensive than the AVST and original line. They are more "fresh" so to speak! Laughing

I am not sure that is the case...I think it is the higher level of actives degrade faster.

One of my Ionzyme products had an expiration of 9/12 and one had an expiration of 9/13.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 12:57 pm

bethany wrote:

I am not sure that is the case...I think it is the higher level of actives degrade faster.

One of my Ionzyme products had an expiration of 9/12 and one had an expiration of 9/13.

Makes sense to me!

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 2:09 pm

After having read some of the previous posts I thought Id have another look. There is apparently another Uk site supposedly authentic called Environ Chellon.

On it says that Environ has started legal proceedings against ,touch of skin .

On the chellon site it has a whole load of the AVST range, and wont sell onnline unless you have a telephone consult.

So I there you go just thought Id throw it into the mix Bad Grin

Having said all that I ordered fron touch of skin and am happy with it Laughing

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 2:13 pm

10Sylvia5 wrote:

After having read some of the previous posts I thought Id have another look. There is apparently another Uk site supposedly authentic called Environ Chellon.

On it says that Environ has started legal proceedings against ,touch of skin .

On the chellon site it has a whole load of the AVST range, and wont sell onnline unless you have a telephone consult.

So I there you go just thought Id throw it into the mix Bad Grin

Having said all that I ordered fron touch of skin and am happy with it Laughing

I see the AVST is still listed on the site here as well. Not that you can purchase as far as I can tell but it is there all the same? Very Happy

http://www.environ.co.za/ranges/avst-range

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 2:14 pm

Found this today. It looks like stronger ingredients and it is more more often (C-Quence that is!):

Environ first launched the Ionzyme C-Quence skin care products in 1997. With the aid of advanced technology and the inclusion of more effective, chirally correct ingredients, Environ has now formulated an improved Ionzyme C-Quence range. It enriches the skin with an exciting combination of powerful antioxidants and vitamins, thereby introducing a new dimension to advanced skin care. This improved range is the most luxurious Environ home treatment available. It will help speed up the restoration of the skin cells resulting in a more youthful and healthy complexion. Ionzyme C-Quence products are manufactured each week with gentle loving care under the most sterile conditions to ensure that the client receives the freshest products possible. C-Quence Gels and the C-Quence Creme are available fragranced or non-fragranced. C-Quence 4 is only available non-fragranced. No preservatives or sunscreens are included in this range. No expense has been spared in the research and production of these improved C-Quence Gels. Each of these unique formulae is enriched with vitamin A in the form of Retinyl Acetate, a very active, oil soluble form of vitamin C and chirally correct vitamin E. They also contain a cocktail of Matrixyl and Dermaxyl as well as three extremely powerful antioxidants, Lycopene (a tomato derivative), Green Tea and Rosemary extracts. The C-Quence Gels are made from the finest, purest ingredients and are produced in four varying strengths. For the best, long-term benefits, follow the sequence of these strengths. This will enable your skin to acclimatise to the formulae to gain maximum long-term benefits and to avoid any potential skin reactions. The C-Quence Gels are not recommended for use on problematic skins.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 2:22 pm

thanks Rileygirl,

thats useful to know, thinking I still got the right ones

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 5:16 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

I am going to see an esthetician who is also an Environ stockist on Monday!

Jealous!!!!

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 7:44 pm

DarkMoon wrote:

bethany wrote:

I received all my products today, and I would have a VERY hard time believing that these are not real Environ products.

They were all sealed, had leaflets, expiration dates, etc....way too much work for counterfeit products. I think TOSC is just limited to what is distributed in South Africa, which means no AVST. But if you want any other products, I would not hesitate to order from them.

I'll post what I ordered, expiration dates, and shipping methods tomorrow.

I just checked the site and even added the AVST to my cart, does it not work if you attempt to check out?

http://www.touchofskincare.com/environ-avst/environ-skincare-avst.html

It says on site, so is that just a name change?

As part of Environ's new look for 2012 a number of products have been refreshed with new names to better align them with their key benefits or been incorporated into other Ranges in order to help simply the regime.

http://www.touchofskincare.com/environ-avst/environ-skincare-avst.html

Page 2 addresses the question you asked above...hopefully that will help clarify things for you.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 7:46 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Found this today. It looks like stronger ingredients and it is more more often (C-Quence that is!):

Environ first launched the Ionzyme C-Quence skin care products in 1997. With the aid of advanced technology and the inclusion of more effective, chirally correct ingredients, Environ has now formulated an improved Ionzyme C-Quence range. It enriches the skin with an exciting combination of powerful antioxidants and vitamins, thereby introducing a new dimension to advanced skin care. This improved range is the most luxurious Environ home treatment available. It will help speed up the restoration of the skin cells resulting in a more youthful and healthy complexion. Ionzyme C-Quence products are manufactured each week with gentle loving care under the most sterile conditions to ensure that the client receives the freshest products possible. C-Quence Gels and the C-Quence Creme are available fragranced or non-fragranced. C-Quence 4 is only available non-fragranced. No preservatives or sunscreens are included in this range. No expense has been spared in the research and production of these improved C-Quence Gels. Each of these unique formulae is enriched with vitamin A in the form of Retinyl Acetate, a very active, oil soluble form of vitamin C and chirally correct vitamin E. They also contain a cocktail of Matrixyl and Dermaxyl as well as three extremely powerful antioxidants, Lycopene (a tomato derivative), Green Tea and Rosemary extracts. The C-Quence Gels are made from the finest, purest ingredients and are produced in four varying strengths. For the best, long-term benefits, follow the sequence of these strengths. This will enable your skin to acclimatise to the formulae to gain maximum long-term benefits and to avoid any potential skin reactions. The C-Quence Gels are not recommended for use on problematic skins.

Definitely stronger levels, per the inserts int the product. (can anyone scan an AVST product insert and email it to me?)

But I am not certain that they manufacture it upon order as some of the literature says.

free skin care · Sat May 26, 2012 7:51 pm

FYI, I have asked that they combine this with the other Environ thread (AVST vs Ionzyme) since we are basically discussing identical info on both.

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=45800

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 8:09 am

rileygirl wrote:

Found this today. It looks like stronger ingredients and it is more more often (C-Quence that is!):

Environ first launched the Ionzyme C-Quence skin care products in 1997. With the aid of advanced technology and the inclusion of more effective, chirally correct ingredients, Environ has now formulated an improved Ionzyme C-Quence range. It enriches the skin with an exciting combination of powerful antioxidants and vitamins, thereby introducing a new dimension to advanced skin care. This improved range is the most luxurious Environ home treatment available. It will help speed up the restoration of the skin cells resulting in a more youthful and healthy complexion. Ionzyme C-Quence products are manufactured each week with gentle loving care under the most sterile conditions to ensure that the client receives the freshest products possible. C-Quence Gels and the C-Quence Creme are available fragranced or non-fragranced. C-Quence 4 is only available non-fragranced. No preservatives or sunscreens are included in this range. No expense has been spared in the research and production of these improved C-Quence Gels. Each of these unique formulae is enriched with vitamin A in the form of Retinyl Acetate, a very active, oil soluble form of vitamin C and chirally correct vitamin E. They also contain a cocktail of Matrixyl and Dermaxyl as well as three extremely powerful antioxidants, Lycopene (a tomato derivative), Green Tea and Rosemary extracts. The C-Quence Gels are made from the finest, purest ingredients and are produced in four varying strengths. For the best, long-term benefits, follow the sequence of these strengths. This will enable your skin to acclimatise to the formulae to gain maximum long-term benefits and to avoid any potential skin reactions. The C-Quence Gels are not recommended for use on problematic skins.

Thanks, that's interesting, so the C-Quence 1-4 are all gels? I really don't like gels!!
I would love to know the exact difference between these ingredients and the AVST range? There is a salon near me so I am going to ring them tomorrow to see what they say.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 8:35 am

Bermie2 wrote:

Thanks, that's interesting, so the C-Quence 1-4 are all gels? I really don't like gels!!
I would love to know the exact difference between these ingredients and the AVST range? There is a salon near me so I am going to ring them tomorrow to see what they say.

Bermie, I really like the gel...it s very lightweight and doesn't seem drying at all. Plus you can layer the C-Quence Cream (or any other cream) over it.

Basically the Ionzyme line has a high level of actives and some peptides that I don't believe are in AVST. But I would love to hear what they say when you call them!

Sun May 27, 2012 9:19 am

adding these related posts from: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=45800

EthelM wrote:

For those who have considered and/or used both Ionzyme and AVST, what are the differences between these two Environ lines? I'm finding that navigating my way through the Environ product lines is difficult...I'm trying to locate the highest strength A & C product(s) in the Environ line up, and wonder if that is just one product, or must I supplement (such as with C-boost)? Sigh! I'm confused! Do all the products contain Tetra as the form of vitamin C, or does that vary? Same question for retinyl palmitate---do all Environ's vitamin A products contain retinyl palmitate, or another form of vit A? I can't find ingredients lists anywhere.

bethany wrote:

I am assuming that the Ionzyme product has the highest level of actives since that is the premium line and what Dr. F now recommends before dermarolling. But I am sure there is some overlap between the lines and the product levels.

talyta wrote:

I am using the AVST line and is pretty strong. I started with vast 2 and I am now on AVST 5 and I can't use it everyday .However I tolerate well retin a 0.5 four to five nights a week so probably is the vit c that is so intense in AVST

rileygirl wrote:

I got this info from Environ, so hopefully it will help. The AVST is approximately the strength of C-Quence 1. You don't need an additional moisturizer with the AVST like you do the C-Quence line, and the AVST is cheaper.

EthelM wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

I got this info from Environ, so hopefully it will help. The AVST is approximately the strength of C-Quence 1. You don't need an additional moisturizer with the AVST like you do the C-Quence line, and the AVST is cheaper.

Rileygirl, the AVST 1 is the equivalent to Ionzyme C-Quence 1? But then, there are five levels of AVST and only four of Ionzyme, so I'm (again) confused. Are they all (both lines, all products) the same types of Vitamins A and C?

rileygirl wrote:

EthelM wrote:

Rileygirl, the AVST 1 is the equivalent to Ionzyme 1? But then, there are five levels of AVST and only four of Ionzyme, so I'm (again) confused. Are they all (both lines, all products) the same types of Vitamins A and C?

LOL. So sorry, EthelM! The AVST 3 is the strength of the C-Quence 1! That would have helped, wouldn't it?! I do not know for sure that the A and C are the same types, but I would guess they are. The best thing to do is either go to a place that sells the Environ or call up whoever is the rep for your area. They would be the ones to answer those questions.

EthelM wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

EthelM wrote:

Rileygirl, the AVST 1 is the equivalent to Ionzyme 1? But then, there are five levels of AVST and only four of Ionzyme, so I'm (again) confused. Are they all (both lines, all products) the same types of Vitamins A and C?

LOL. So sorry, EthelM! The AVST 3 is the strength of the C-Quence 1! That would have helped, wouldn't it?! I do not know for sure that the A and C are the same types, but I would guess they are. The best thing to do is either go to a place that sells the Environ or call up whoever is the rep for your area. They would be the ones to answer those questions.

Thank you, Rileygirl. That makes more sense. Very Happy

talyta wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

EthelM wrote:

Rileygirl, the AVST 1 is the equivalent to Ionzyme 1? But then, there are five levels of AVST and only four of Ionzyme, so I'm (again) confused. Are they all (both lines, all products) the same types of Vitamins A and C?

LOL. So sorry, EthelM! The AVST 3 is the strength of the C-Quence 1! That would have helped, wouldn't it?! I do not know for sure that the A and C are the same types, but I would guess they are. The best thing to do is either go to a place that sells the Environ or call up whoever is the rep for your area. They would be the ones to answer those questions.

wow - thanks riley Smile

That means that the Ionzyme is damn strong as the AVST 5 for me is stronger than retin a and vitamin c 15%....

rileygirl wrote:

You're welcome, EthelM and talyta! Don't forget that with Environ, the goal is to progress through the levels. So, start slow and low and work your way up. Very Happy

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 10:00 am

Thank you Havana!!

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 10:28 am

So here is what I ordered from Touch of Skincare, and my take on each of the products...all products came sealed with the appropriate leaflets, etc.

Ionzyme C-Quence eye gel:
- expiration: 8/13
- contains, vitamins, antioxidants and peptides
- a very lightweight gel formula to be used 2x a day on the entire eye area (per the leaflet), followed by your Vit A moisturizer
- absorbs quickly into the skin, and I only need LESS than a full pump to do both eyes
- should be used within 6-8 weeks of opening

Ionzyme C-Quence 2:- expiration: 9/12
- per the leaflet it is considered to be a moisturizer, though it feels like a gel
- it contains a medium level of Vit A and a significantly higher level of Vit C (CQ 1 contains a low level of Vit A and a medium level of Vit C)
- applies very smoothly and soaks in quickly...no tacky feel for me
- should be used within 6-8 weeks of opening

Ionzyme C-Quence Cream:
- expiration: 9/13
- leaflet says it is to be used with the CQ 1-4 as it provides "additional nourishment."
- Rich in antioxidants (C and E), B5, jojoba oil, green tea and rosemary extracts, and lutein.
- supposedly provides more moisturization than the gel alone...it is much thicker, and definitely more like a cream than a gel
- does leave a slightly tacky feel on my face
- should be used within 6-8 weeks of opening
- if I were to skip anything on my next order, I would skip this and use my Nia25 IRC instead (and that is probably what I will do!)

Vit A, C, & E Body Oil:
- expiration: 6/13
- leaflet says to apply sparingly to entire body 2x day
- light nourishing oil to be used with Derma Lac, the AVST Hydrating Lotion, or the Vit A, C, & E Body Cream
- this is a DRY oil which absorbs super quickly...it is NOT an oily oil at all, and is very nice to apply/use.
- should be used within 10-12 weeks of opening
- There is also an Enhanced Vit A, C, & E Body Oil, which the leaflet says contains high levels of A, C, E and rosemary extracts (TOSC does NOT sell this)

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 10:46 am

Thanks for the review, Bethany. So, no tacky feeling from the C-quence eye gel?

My AVST product leaflet says to use the AVST before the date on the package, and within 10-12 weeks of opening the product, so there is a little difference there between the C-Quence and the AVST.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 10:50 am

rileygirl wrote:

Thanks for the review, Bethany. So, no tacky feeling from the C-quence eye gel?

My AVST product leaflet says to use the AVST before the date on the package, and within 10-12 weeks of opening the product, so there is a little difference there between the C-Quence and the AVST.

No tacky feeling from the eye gel at all...it is just a tad thicker than water after you spread it on, and it totally disappears.

The C-Quence 2 gel is more like a milky fluid than a gel too.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 10:54 am

Riley, I really do NOT think you would like the feel of the C-Quence Cream at all. I usually don't have issues with the way stuff feels, but this bothers me a bit. I'll use it because I have it, but I seriously doubt I will reorder.

I noticed that the AVST line has beta-carotine in it, and saw something that Dr. F wrote that mentions that the creams have an orange tint. Is that true?

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 12:58 pm

Thank you. That is good to know about the C-Quence cream! The AVST 3 that I have is a light orange color, but it does not leave an orange look on the face.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 1:46 pm

bethany, how does the C-Quence 2 gel compare to Retin A ( whichever strength you were using)?

Are you planning to use Retin A in conjunction with the C_Quence?

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 6:06 pm

RussianSunshine wrote:

bethany, how does the C-Quence 2 gel compare to Retin A ( whichever strength you were using)?

Are you planning to use Retin A in conjunction with the C_Quence?

RS, I am going to either discontinue the RA completely, or use it once a week max. I haven't decided yet, but am leaning toward discontinuing it since I hate the flakes and the redness. I have a lot of faith in Dr. F, so I am willing to forgo the RA for a while.

free skin care · Sun May 27, 2012 8:11 pm

bethany, how does the C-Quence 2 gel compare to Retin A ( whichever strength you were using)? Is it stronger or weaker?

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 8:01 am

RussianSunshine wrote:

bethany, how does the C-Quence 2 gel compare to Retin A ( whichever strength you were using)? Is it stronger or weaker?

I was using the .05% cream, and could only tolerate it once a week. I am using this 2x a day with no issues (yet), but that is also attributable to the Vit A not being in a acidic form.

I had always thought that Vit A had to be delivered in the Retin A format to be effective, but DragoN made some comments that made me do a little research into the various types of Vit A delivery...you can definitely have success without the irritation from Retin A. So I am going to give this a shot and see what happens!

BTW, my skin feels a bit "different"...a tad sensitive to the touch, so I do think there are some strong actives in there.

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 10:17 am

Thanks for sharing your details with us, Bethany.

Given the somewhat short shelf life, do you think it would help or hinder to keep the products in the fridge?

Thanks, BFG

free skin care · Mon May 28, 2012 10:53 am

Barefootgirl wrote:

Thanks for sharing your details with us, Bethany.

Given the somewhat short shelf life, do you think it would help or hinder to keep the products in the fridge?

Thanks, BFG

Hmmm...I have no idea, but that is something worth considering.

Maybe Bermie can ask when she chats with the Environ salon?

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