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Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:45 pm  |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:12 am |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:16 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
Does it mean "No, and I am not gonna!", or "No, but I will!"  |
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:19 am |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
Does it mean "No, and I am not gonna!", or "No, but I will!" |
No, but I will. I have 1 to try though, so there really won't be anything to report. |
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:30 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| No, but I will. I have 1 to try though, so there really won't be anything to report. |
They sent you only one capsule ... well, you might report irritation? |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:38 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:06 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
Jom are you trying to fade some sun pigmentation or just using C for anti aging? |
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Everything has beauty but not everyone sees it |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:14 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| She recommends using her new 1% retinol product with the Vitamin C capsules at night. She said to break open a capsule and mix it with the serum and apply it. Or use any other serum or oil as a base. |
Why mix 10% L-AA with 1% Retinol?
| jom wrote: |
So I bought some of the capsules to experiment with. Her Vitamin C capsules also contain niacinamide, n-acetyl glucosamine and alpha lipoic acid. |
| jom wrote: |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
Why incorporate niacinamide, n-acetyl glucosamine and alpha lipoic acid with L-AA?
(my questions relate primarily to pH and solubility). |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:25 pm |
| CookieD wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
Jom are you trying to fade some sun pigmentation or just using C for anti aging? |
Hi Cookie, I'm using it for anti-aging. My pigmentation has mostly faded from earlier Vitamin C (and other product) use, I'm just trying to maintain it. But, I think my skin has been looking better since I started using the capsules (not that it was looking that bad) and think using the capsules are more effective than the bottled Skinceuticals CE Ferulic I was using. I don't use the capsules the way Marie suggested, in the retinol serum she gave me, I don't really want to mix my Vitamin A & Vitamin C. I've been mixing the capsules with the Anti-Aging+ oil in the morning. That way I get a good dose of anti-aging ingredients on my skin every 12 hours. |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:43 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| She recommends using her new 1% retinol product with the Vitamin C capsules at night. She said to break open a capsule and mix it with the serum and apply it. Or use any other serum or oil as a base. |
Why mix 10% L-AA with 1% Retinol?
Marie believes night time is the best time to fight wrinkles and it is OK to use all your anti-aging ingredients at the same time. That is HER philosophy. (Watch video in link)
http://www.mvorganics.com/products/anti-wrinkle-vitamin-c-supplement
| jom wrote: |
So I bought some of the capsules to experiment with. Her Vitamin C capsules also contain niacinamide, n-acetyl glucosamine and alpha lipoic acid. |
| jom wrote: |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
Why incorporate niacinamide, n-acetyl glucosamine and alpha lipoic acid with L-AA?
Here is a link showing her reasoning behind each of the ingredients she uses.
http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/intelligent-ingredients
She is a skilled formulator so I do not believe there are any ph or solubility issues. You can call or email her for specifics.
http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/connect
(my questions relate primarily to pH and solubility). |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:11 pm |
Actually Jom, I am not so sure about that "skilled formula" comment, that's why I posed the questions. I prefer to hear comments from DIYers/formulators who post on EDS, so I won't be asking her any questions via e-mail or telephone. Besides, most of us (even you Jom!) have learned general rules about pH and compatibility of ingredients just from participating on this forum. When I read marketing like this, I think it's quite acceptable to question her abilities:
Intelligent Ingredients: Smart for you... and your skin.
"Intelligent Ingredients" is more than just a tagline. It’s the overriding principle that guides every formulation at Marie Veronique Organics. That’s because science tells us that what goes on your skin ultimately penetrates your skin and goes into your body ...
http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/intelligent-ingredients |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:15 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Actually Jom, I am not so sure about that "skilled formula" comment, that's why I posed the questions. I prefer to hear comments from DIYers/formulators who post on EDS, so I won't be asking her any questions via e-mail or telephone. Besides, most of us (even you Jom!) have learned general rules about pH and compatibility of ingredients just from participating on this forum. When I read marketing like this, I think it's quite acceptable to question her abilities:
Intelligent Ingredients: Smart for you... and your skin.
"Intelligent Ingredients" is more than just a tagline. It’s the overriding principle that guides every formulation at Marie Veronique Organics. That’s because science tells us that what goes on your skin ultimately penetrates your skin and goes into your body ...
http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/intelligent-ingredients |
Just my 2 cents if as was posted on the first page the C powder is LAA it is not soluble in oil, it would seem to me you might be rubbing dissipated LAA crystals on your skin with the product. |
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I'LL SEE YOU ON THE DARKSIDE OF THE MOON.... |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:39 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Actually Jom, I am not so sure about that "skilled formula" comment, that's why I posed the questions. I prefer to hear comments from DIYers/formulators who post on EDS, so I won't be asking her any questions via e-mail or telephone. Besides, most of us (even you Jom!) have learned general rules about pH and compatibility of ingredients just from participating on this forum. When I read marketing like this, I think it's quite acceptable to question her abilities:
Intelligent Ingredients: Smart for you... and your skin.
"Intelligent Ingredients" is more than just a tagline. It’s the overriding principle that guides every formulation at Marie Veronique Organics. That’s because science tells us that what goes on your skin ultimately penetrates your skin and goes into your body ...
http://www.mvorganics.com/pages/intelligent-ingredients |
I think that quote is just that - marketing, not a true reflection of her skills. The marketers have their job and she has hers. That said, everything on her website should be a reflection of her and she SHOULD have final say over what is on her website but I think her marketers have some influence over her.
Also, please do not be so presumptious as to tell me what I have learned on EDS. TIA |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 7:43 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| CookieD wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| rileygirl, have you tried the C capsules yet? |
No! |
I am really liking the Vitamin C capsules. |
Jom are you trying to fade some sun pigmentation or just using C for anti aging? |
Hi Cookie, I'm using it for anti-aging. My pigmentation has mostly faded from earlier Vitamin C (and other product) use, I'm just trying to maintain it. But, I think my skin has been looking better since I started using the capsules (not that it was looking that bad) and think using the capsules are more effective than the bottled Skinceuticals CE Ferulic I was using. I don't use the capsules the way Marie suggested, in the retinol serum she gave me, I don't really want to mix my Vitamin A & Vitamin C. I've been mixing the capsules with the Anti-Aging+ oil in the morning. That way I get a good dose of anti-aging ingredients on my skin every 12 hours. |
Thanks Jom,
I was using Skinceuticals for awhile also but was always afraid that it wasn't "fresh" |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:50 pm |
Yes, Marie advised to add LAA to a serum or oil, but most EDS DIY-ers say that one should not mix it an oil.  |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 10:53 pm |
| jom, do you have their Anti Aging Oil plus? Does it contain anything else except "essential fatty acids from emu, krill and kiwi seed"? |
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Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:18 pm |
| RussianSunshine wrote: |
| jom, do you have their Anti Aging Oil plus? Does it contain anything else except "essential fatty acids from emu, krill and kiwi seed"? |
Hi RS,
Not jom but from the MVO site:
Anti-Aging Oil
Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) oil, Vitus viniferi (grapeseed) oil, Prunus armeniaca (apricot kernel) oil, Helianthus annuus (sunflower) oil, Borago officinalis (borage) oil, Oenotherus biennis (evening primrose) oil, Tocopherol (vitamin E), Vaccinium macrocarpon (cranberry) seed oil, Rubus idaeus (red raspberry) seed oil, Rosa rubignosa (rosehip) seed oil, Calophyllum inophyllum (tamanu) oil, Euterpe oleracea (acai) oil, Actinidia deliciosa (kiwi) seed oil, Hippophae rhamnoides (sea buckthorn) oil, Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary oleoresin), Daucus carota (carrot) seed essential oil, Cistum ladanifer (cistus) essential oil, Boswellia carterii (frankincense) essential oil, Cymbopogon martini (palmarosa) essential oil
Anti-Aging Oil +
Simmondsia chinensis (jojoba oil), Vitus viniferi (grapeseed oil, expeller-pressed), Prunus armeniaca (apricot kernel oil), Limnanthes alba (meadowfoam seed oil), Argania spinosa (argan oil), Rubus fruticosus (blackberry seed oil), Borago officinalis (borage oil), emu oil, Oenotherus biennis (evening primrose oil), Sclerocarya birrea (marula oil), Rosa rubignosa (rosehip seed oil), Tocopherol (vitamin E), Rubus idaeus (black raspberry seed oil), Vaccinium macrocarpon (cranberry seed oil), Actinidia deliciosa (kiwi seed oil), Hippophae rhamnoides (sea buckthorn oil), Calophyllum inophyllum (Tamanu oil), lecithin, Rosmarinus officinalis (rosemary oleoresin), lycopene, Euphasia superba (krill oil), Daucus carota (carrot seed) essential oil, Lavendula angustfolia (lavender) essential oil, Rosa damascene (rose essential oil, Pelargonium graveolens (rose geranium essential oil), Helichrysum italicum (helichrysum) essential oil, Citrus aurantium bigaradia (neroli) essential oil, Cananga odorata (ylang ylang) essential oil
http://www.mvorganics.com/collections/replenish |
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I'LL SEE YOU ON THE DARKSIDE OF THE MOON.... |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:48 am |
LAA is water soluble (so it can't dissolve in oil) and has to have a PH of <3.5 in order for it to be effective. Niacinimide has a PH of 4>. I don't see how a skilled formulator would put them together. 
Regarding Vitamin C capsules, has anyone here tried the Neostrata 10% Vitamin C capsules? I'm curious about them. |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:27 am |
Jom, I was just pointed to this little goody that I had not seen before. I think this can help us non-DIYers by making us more aware of the ingredients and pH levels of ingredients (in other words, what would work together and what would not!).
http://skinessentialactives.blogspot.ca/2012/01/solubility-chart.html
I think Lacy's question was a good one about the pH of several ingredients used in the MVO capsules, as well as the others who have posted here that LAA is water soluble. |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:10 pm |
| egyptiangoddess wrote: |
Regarding Vitamin C capsules, has anyone here tried the Neostrata 10% Vitamin C capsules? I'm curious about them. |
I am using them occasionally, they are less irritating then any other C product I've tried, but the capsules are tiny, one capsule barely covers the face. Also, the base feels quite silicony. |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:25 pm |
Here is the response I got from MVO when I posed the questions to them:
"Marie formulated the capsules to include ingredients that would work well synergistically with the Vitamin C to produce results that would boost collagen, reduce fine lines and wrinkles and work as a powerful anti-oxidant to prevent further damage.
I’m not sure whether or not the capsules themselves have a balanced pH, but I do know that they have been formulated (as have the rest of our skin care products) to maintain a healthy pH on the skin surface. Skin should be fairly acidic in order to help ward off the advances of harmful bacteria and fungi. An optimal pH for human skin is somewhere around 5.5 and the Vitamin C capsules will help maintain and support these levels.
You should NOT be mixing the Vitamin C with oils because this will keep the ingredients from dissolving because they are water, not oil, soluble. Apply oil to moist skin and let penetrate. While the oils are penetrating, mix contents of capsule in hand with a water based solution (such as out Anti-Aging Mist or Anti-Wrinkle Serum). Apply to face, over the oil. The oil will act as a carrier to help deliver some of those nutrients through the epidermis."
It was my bad for mixing it with oil. I had thought Marie said it was OK to do that but I could be mistaken about that. I actually only did that a couple of times, the other times I mixed it in a cream. I have also noticed some lightening of a stubborn sunspot that I have since I started using the capsules so I think even though I used them wrongly with the oil maybe using it with the cream is OK because it seems to be doing something. I didn't think anything would work on that spot. |
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Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:27 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
Jom, I was just pointed to this little goody that I had not seen before. I think this can help us non-DIYers by making us more aware of the ingredients and pH levels of ingredients (in other words, what would work together and what would not!).
http://skinessentialactives.blogspot.ca/2012/01/solubility-chart.html
I think Lacy's question was a good one about the pH of several ingredients used in the MVO capsules, as well as the others who have posted here that LAA is water soluble. |
I don't think there is anything wrong with Lacy's questions rileygirl but I do have a problem with the WAY she asked them. All good interviewers know that it is all in the way a question is asked and there is no need to have a rude tone. |
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Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:52 pm |
Yeah, I was shocked to find that out!
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