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Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:46 pm  |
| aprile wrote: |
| Excellent post Mariposa. Where does your hubby practice? I would love to have one of those treatments! I highly doubt it's in New York though. We are soooo backward here. |
Yeah, the other side of the country....Seattle.
Way different out here. Seattle is a mecca for progressive medicine. Love that aspect of it, but not the weather!!!!! Lost count of how many days it's been since I've seen the sun......at least we aren't having snow storms. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:57 pm |
Tonia and others:
OK I am an ozone addict!!!
My DH's vocation is environmental consultant/sales..and he has been carrying ozone air purification devices since 1993 because of his own deep research and personal experience with these devices (he's very intuitive & heart-orientd as well as very mentally intense)
because i also research everything ultra-intensely, when he first became attracted to these devices, i didn't feel complete yet with my own research regarding ozone safety. i didn't understand anything 'real' about the nature of ozone and i was being both overly mental and fear based about my research so i didn't feel comfortable with him using his ozone purification devices in any room other than his own office space.
but a month or so later he was asked by our holistic dentist to participate in an IAOMT (intenational academy of oral medicine and toxicology)conference as the only commercial participant because she also was very much engaged in the befits of ozone.
so i went with him to help him in his booth with great trepidation...really afraid to be around so much ozone (he had a lot of air purification devices and i was being surrounded by them)..
...after about 5 minutes of this ozone 'onslsaught' i began to feel 'OMG I can Breathe..i feel alive ' it was truly amazing to me
(not everyone of course has the same reaction..ozone can be detoxing..and depending on one's physical conditional..the appropriate amounts of acceptable ozone vary)
anyway i cannot imagine now having to live wthout the invigoration of ozone devices near me. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:04 pm |
| mariposa wrote: |
Yeah, the other side of the country....Seattle.
Way different out here. Seattle is a mecca for progressive medicine. Love that aspect of it, but not the weather!!!!! Lost count of how many days it's been since I've seen the sun......at least we aren't having snow storms. |
I'm not IN Seattle but I am on the Washington State Coast and the weather here right now is awesome. You might think it's already Spring. And there's no rain right here now, but it is 48 degrees with patches of blue showing in the sky. That's what happens when I make sure we get our studded tires on for the winter.  |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 2:29 pm |
There had been a significant amount of medical research/results published in Europe regarding ozone therapies.
The few physicians/dentists who currently do it in US do it under "research" umbrella; there is quite a bit of work and buzz about it (at least among dentists,since most dental bacteria are anaerobic).
It does provides fantastic results with gum and dental issues; shortens healing time post extractions and is an incredible help in fighting cavitations/root canal issues, etc. when the injections are done by a trained professional (usually combined with holistic remedies - homeopathic/vitamins/..).
I also have a first hand experience with it as a dental patient and found it to be remarkable.
HTH |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:42 pm |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
Tonia and others:
OK I am an ozone addict!!! |
Interesting.
The same chemical properties that allow high concentrations of ozone to react with organic material outside the body give it the ability to react with similar organic material that makes up the body, and potentially cause harmful health consequences. When inhaled, ozone can damage the lungs. Relatively low amounts can cause chest pain, coughing, shortness of breath, and, throat irritation. Ozone may also worsen chronic respiratory diseases such as asthma and compromise the ability of the body to fight respiratory infections. People vary widely in their susceptibility to ozone. Healthy people, as well as those with respiratory difficulty, can experience breathing problems when exposed to ozone. Exercise during exposure to ozone causes a greater amount of ozone to be inhaled, and increases the risk of harmful respiratory effects. Recovery from the harmful effects can occur following short-term exposure to low levels of ozone, but health effects may become more damaging and recovery less certain at higher levels or from longer exposures.
http://www.epa.gov/iaq/pubs/ozonegen.html |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:40 pm |
hi Lacy (i'm jasminerosey from several years ago)
Lacy please continue and deepen your research...your post represents where i started from in my understanding of ozone 20 years ago ...and it is no here close to the awesome nature of what I have found ozone to really be..all the info is online but takes some dedication to discover. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:51 pm |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
hi Lacy (i'm jasminerosey from several years ago)
Lacy please continue and deepen your research...your post represents where i started from in my understanding of ozone 20 years ago ...and it is no here close to the awesome nature of what I have found ozone to really be..all the info is online but takes some dedication to discover. |
It's all well and good that there is information online about this stuff but what type of sources is it coming from? So far I've heard a lot about "information found on the internet" on this thread but the sites that have actually been linked are "blogspot" free blogs that anyone can set up and post on. That's not real information.
I do consider Pubmed articles reputable because Pubmed is hosted on the domain owned by the United States National Institutes of Health, a ".Gov" domain. The link that Lacy53 posted above belongs to the domain owned by the United States Environmental Protection Agency, another reputable ".Gov" domain. Even with ".Gov" and ".Edu" domains one still has to consider what they are reading, as some folks have figured out ways to put their "V*agra" and "Cialis" ads on such sites; usually on obscure forums hosted on such domains.
When someone posts real information from a reputable source, I am willing to take a look at it. But I am not willing to do things that can seriously damage my health based on "information on the internet". I make my living on the internet and I know what sorts of things are 'out there'. It is vitally important to consider the source whose information you are using before you ruin your health or recommend that same information to others. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:08 pm |
| AngelaE8654 wrote: |
| It is vitally important to consider the source whose information you are using before you ruin your health or recommend that same information to others. |
I totally agree - unfortunately the bulk of information about products and treatments discussed here is coming from people selling something. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:16 pm |
Angel
i am not talking about internet 'copycat' talk
sometimes after much resarch one finds something..a perspective about the natural world and how it works that 'just makes sense'
someone explains something from a knowledge base different than what we are used to and we 'get' it ...
real understanding is not so intellectually difficult and cumbersome all the time (sometimes yes. but not all the time)
there ARE things we can't comprehend or understand with our rational mind...
and so other innate human faculties MUST come into play
it's the way of truth...
great things don't get discovered (all real scientific breakthroughs included) without Inner Knowing as well as what passes for current mainstream scientific 'fact'. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:18 pm |
This is my "favourite" energising product at the moment: Diamond Water - invented by that luminary Asa from the TV show Shahs of Sunset.
http://realdiamondwater.com/about-asa
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Asa has been studying diamonds for a while, and believes her diamond infused water can be the greatest water ever made. (She obviously hasn't heard of ASG!) She’s been making the alkaline-infused water since she was about 13 for herself, but now she wants to bring it to the masses.
Asa: “I’ve been researching diamonds for years. They contain genetic molecular information from the beginning of time since the earth was made. So, diamonds’ vibrational energy is the original energy from the creation of the world.”
http://starcasm.net/archives/194171 |
Just more codswallop from unethical people. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:23 pm |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
sometimes after much resarch one finds something..a perspective about the natural world and how it works that 'just makes sense'
someone explains something from a knowledge base different than what we are used to and we 'get' it ...
real understanding is not so intellectually difficult and cumbersome all the time (sometimes yes. but not all the time)
there ARE things we can't comprehend or understand with our rational mind...
and so other innate human faculties MUST come into play
it's the way of truth...
great things don't get discovered (all real scientific breakthroughs included) without Inner Knowing as well as what passes for current mainstream scientific 'fact'. |
So does this mean you'll be rushing out to buy Asa's Diamond Water? |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:34 pm |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
Angel
i am not talking about internet 'copycat' talk
sometimes after much resarch one finds something..a perspective about the natural world and how it works that 'just makes sense'
someone explains something from a knowledge base different than what we are used to and we 'get' it ...
real understanding is not so intellectually difficult and cumbersome all the time (sometimes yes. but not all the time)
there ARE things we can't comprehend or understand with our rational mind...
and so other innate human faculties MUST come into play
it's the way of truth...
great things don't get discovered (all real scientific breakthroughs included) without Inner Knowing as well as what passes for current mainstream scientific 'fact'. |
In other words, there isn't any reputable information forthcoming.  |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:35 pm |
it has nothing to do with Inner Knowing Keliu
changing topic for a moment..i read you were a grandma..congradulations..so precious. |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:41 pm |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
it has nothing to do with Inner Knowing Keliu
changing topic for a moment..i read you were a grandma..congradulations..so precious. |
Thank you JR!! She is precious, and I'm totally obsessed with her!
This is what Asa has to say about "Diamond Energy":
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It allows the soul light to shine out bright. Diamond energy is regarded as the highest spiritual vibration, and brings balance to your soul, while uniting the body and mind.
http://realdiamondwater.com/history |
I think Asa thinks she's got Inner Knowing! |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:50 pm |
Just wanted also to point out that there are respected and quite successful MDs practicing both conventional and biological medicine with an incredible success rate (one of the many modalities is ozone therapy) - for example, Dr. Rau in Switzerland.
I have heard about him from physicians here in USA, who refer their hopeless cases to him.
There are also unconventional approaches here in USA - Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez in NYC, whom I have read about 20 years ago or so; and had recently watched an interview with on Carol Alt show. Apparently his approach had finally gained enough traction that he had received an NIH grant to do "studies"/publish his results.
Just the same way you can not expect everything (or almost anything) posted on the internet to be credible, neither should one consider pubmed as a complete and total source of the information (it is quite useful for a basic information for a non-professional).
Physician have their own professional boards and sites that thy are using for information. And to be honest even if one had an access to that info it is mostly incomprehensible even to the MDs in other specialties, forget about layman.
Regarding water - there are many interesting points of view - enough people on anti-aging medical board touting benefits of alkanized water, while others do not. My own dad, with his Ph.D. in Physics and about 65 books in library of Congress, never drinks water that had been already boiled.
HTH |
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Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:06 pm |
Jasminerosey, your post rang true with me. I rely on both intellect and intuition. I am not comfortable relying entirely on intuition or intellect. It has to be both. Going with my intuition has, literally saved my life more than once.
Anyway, today I was stranded at home with my sweet DS. I was able to do quite a bit of research on ozone water and I ordered the model that I posted earlier in the day. I will run it on the porch so I don't risk irritating the lungs of my sons. I have read that you can run it under the stove fan, but I'll keep it outside just in case. I'll start with a small amount just to see how I respond. The vast majority of what I have read is very positive. No, extremely positive.
I'll keep you posted.
Oh, and just for the record. I won't be buying any diamond water,  |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:55 am |
| sigma wrote: |
Just wanted also to point out that there are respected and quite successful MDs practicing both conventional and biological medicine with an incredible success rate (one of the many modalities is ozone therapy) - for example, Dr. Rau in Switzerland.
I have heard about him from physicians here in USA, who refer their hopeless cases to him.
There are also unconventional approaches here in USA - Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez in NYC, whom I have read about 20 years ago or so; and had recently watched an interview with on Carol Alt show. Apparently his approach had finally gained enough traction that he had received an NIH grant to do "studies"/publish his results.
Just the same way you can not expect everything (or almost anything) posted on the internet to be credible, neither should one consider pubmed as a complete and total source of the information (it is quite useful for a basic information for a non-professional).
Physician have their own professional boards and sites that thy are using for information. And to be honest even if one had an access to that info it is mostly incomprehensible even to the MDs in other specialties, forget about layman.
Regarding water - there are many interesting points of view - enough people on anti-aging medical board touting benefits of alkanized water, while others do not. My own dad, with his Ph.D. in Physics and about 65 books in library of Congress, never drinks water that had been already boiled.
HTH |
Precisely Sigma, there are many protocols that will not receive accolades for reasons beyond whether they work or not. Again, money is a big contributory factor to the equation. When people say "it's not about the money", make no mistake about it "it's always about the money". This is not to put all of the onus on physicians. I'm sure there are many docs who will refer patients if they don't want to use the *gold standard*. But make no mistake, they are worried about lawsuits and being ostracized from their profession, or worse yet, losing their licenses. That is just outright unfair. The mainstream media is also complicit in that they don't always present ALL of information in their health segments. This was extremely apparent when a GMO segment was aired on NBC. In presenting the story, no mention of lab animals getting cancer. Isn't this an important part of the story? Of course, they used a *hired gun* dietician who said there wasn't any evidence that they do harm to the human body. WHAT? It's not enough that lab rats fed GMOs eventually formed mammory tumors? What more evidence is needed? Sheesh. Further, many pubmed articles can be slanted to show the efficacy of the accepted protocols. Again, pharmaceuticals are a trillion dollar business.
Just curious - Sigma do you mean your dad would not drink distilled water? I agree there are many different varying opinions. The best way to stay alkaline is to eat non-acid forming foods and drink pure water. But, most people do not adhere to this. Alkaline water is just one way to restore the bodoy to a more alklaline place. The magnets I purchased decluster the water making it more wet. It's showing in my skin, especially during this cold and dry winter we are having. My skin used to be itchy...not now! So as I always like to say "the proof is in the pudding".
Best,
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:59 am |
| aprile wrote: |
| The mainstream media is also complicit in that they don't always present ALL of information in their health segments. This was extremely apparent when a GMO segment was aired on NBC. In presenting the story, no mention of lab animals getting cancer. Isn't this an important part of the story? Of course, they used a *hired gun* dietician who said there wasn't any evidence that they do harm to the human body. WHAT? It's not enough that lab rats fed GMOs eventually formed mammory tumors? What more evidence is needed? |
If you are referring to the Seralini study of Roundup herbicide and Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize fed to Sprague-Dawley rats, that study has been retracted by the publisher (Elsevier). The official reason given for retraction (after in-depth peer review of the raw data) was the results were inconclusive and therefore do not reach the threshold of publication for Food and Chemical Toxicology.
http://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/elsevier-announces-article-retraction-from-journal-food-and-chemical-toxicology
Given that, it makes sense that the media didn't mention the results of the Seralini study. The dietician was correct - GMOs are safe for consumption. |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:21 am |
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
| Lacy please continue and deepen your research...your post represents where i started from in my understanding of ozone 20 years ago ...and it is no here close to the awesome nature of what I have found ozone to really be..all the info is online but takes some dedication to discover. |
I am confident that the EPA information on the negative health effects of ozone are current and accurate; if something had changed over the past few years I know the website would have been updated to reflect this new knowledge. Anyway, I followed your advice and searched PubMed for the most up-to-date information on ozone and human health, and found this study from Sweden, published December 2013:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3876972/
Please note the following:
Epidemiological [1] and field studies [2] have demonstrated that exposure to ambient ozone (O3), a major component of photochemical smog, is associated with a wide range of adverse health effects including exacerbations of asthma and COPD [3], as well as the induction of cardiovascular events [4,5]. The underlying mechanisms have been explored in experimental chamber studies in which relatively high concentrations of O3 have been shown to elicit a spectrum of acute transient responses, including decrements in lung function, increased airway resistance [6-8], altered airway epithelial permeability [9,10] as well as a spectrum of inflammatory changes characterized by airway neutrophilia [6,8,11-13] ...
This introductory information parallels that on the EPA website; ozone is still regarded as a negative factor on human health, particularly for lungs and heart (respiratory and cardiovascular events). I thought this area of the research was interesting (and perhaps relevant in your case):
One issue we were able to address was whether the greater proportion of female subjects at the 6 hour time point influenced the observed blood neutrophilia and its relationship to the parallel inflammatory events occurring within the lung, i.e. whether female subjects were more sensitive to ozone induced inflammation due to their smaller lungs and other gender specific factors.
You can read the results on gender differences for yourself, if interested. The authors' final summation:
In conclusion, we have shown provisional data demonstrating a link between airway and systemic ozone-induced inflammation ...
"Ozone-induced inflammation" - I see nothing "awesome" here at all. JR, have you ever considered that perhaps it is you who needs to deepen your research into ozone and its effects on human health? |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:45 am |
April,
to answer your question - he never dealt with distilled water, but based on the premise he would not drink it. Btw, it is considered a bad idea even among many alternative health practitioners - they recommend purified but not distilled (if distilled is a must then the recommendation is to add something to it to re-mineralize to avoid leaching minerals - something along these lines).
HTH |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:50 am |
JR - I have a different question:
it is well known among "energy medicine" people that electrical devices and batteries (including non-automatic watches, phones, all EMF generating devices) are highly depolarizing. Since Pico is a battery operated device - what are you using to counter balance it?
TIA |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:09 am |
Angela,
If the only credible sites for you are those linked to government agencies, nothing will convince you,
I suppose. Dr. Rowen and Dr. Shallenburger are 2 well known MD’s in the world of complementary medicine
working with and teaching doctors how to use ozone.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/14/dr-rowen-oxidative-medicine.aspx
http://www.antiagingmedicine.com/treatments
These are not blog sites. This is “real information”.
http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/
http://www.ozoneuniversity.com/
http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/cancerandozone.html
Regarding ozone in air purifiers and breathing it in, it is not wise. Ozone is very irritating
to the lungs, nasal passages and all those respiratory mucosa and can actually be damaging.
I have sniffed straight ozone (not mixed with ambient air) coming out of my ozone generator,
and boy, do I pay for it.....sneezing, coughing, blowing my nose for hours. ....very unpleasant.
If one has an ozone air purifier and keeps the ozone level at a place where one can barely smell it,
it is not harmful.
BUT.....when introduced into the body in other ways, in the ears, rectally, vaginally, and into the blood,
where mucosal linings are not involved,
it is quite amazing in its abilities to heal. |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:33 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
| Mariposa - could you share with us which treatments your brother received in Canada and Germany that aren't available in the US? |
Keliu,
One therapy that my brother uses both in Germany and in Canada is hyperthermia. It's very effective when used in conjunction with IPT chemo, which is another therapy he's doing. IPT chemo is insulin potentiated therapy, using low doses of chemo. Mistletoe by injection is another one. PEMF (pulsed electro magnetic frequency) is used alot in Europe. I think you can find it here, but noone is using it for cancer. He is also doing Autohemotherapy with ozone. Very high dose vitamin C as well, although one can find this in the states....but not usually associated with using for cancer. |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:33 pm |
| mariposa wrote: |
Angela,
If the only credible sites for you are those linked to government agencies, nothing will convince you,
I suppose. Dr. Rowen and Dr. Shallenburger are 2 well known MD’s in the world of complementary medicine
working with and teaching doctors how to use ozone.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/14/dr-rowen-oxidative-medicine.aspx
http://www.antiagingmedicine.com/treatments
These are not blog sites. This is “real information”.
http://www.oxygenhealingtherapies.com/
http://www.ozoneuniversity.com/
http://www.oxygenmedicine.com/cancerandozone.html
Regarding ozone in air purifiers and breathing it in, it is not wise. Ozone is very irritating
to the lungs, nasal passages and all those respiratory mucosa and can actually be damaging.
I have sniffed straight ozone (not mixed with ambient air) coming out of my ozone generator,
and boy, do I pay for it.....sneezing, coughing, blowing my nose for hours. ....very unpleasant.
If one has an ozone air purifier and keeps the ozone level at a place where one can barely smell it,
it is not harmful.
BUT.....when introduced into the body in other ways, in the ears, rectally, vaginally, and into the blood,
where mucosal linings are not involved,
it is quite amazing in its abilities to heal. |
I didn't say that the only reputable sites were .Gov sites. I was pointing out why the nih.gov domain and the epa.gov domain were reputable. Here we go again with saying things were in my post that were not there. And again, I showed early on that some doctors and licensed medical practitioners were successfully using gases for some therapies. Weren't we just discussing a few posts ago about the fact I said non medical lay people aren't able to add oxygen to their own cells?
What isn't helpful to discussions like this is "fluff talk" like this:
| jasminerosey 1 wrote: |
Angel
i am not talking about internet 'copycat' talk
sometimes after much resarch one finds something..a perspective about the natural world and how it works that 'just makes sense'
someone explains something from a knowledge base different than what we are used to and we 'get' it ...
real understanding is not so intellectually difficult and cumbersome all the time (sometimes yes. but not all the time)
there ARE things we can't comprehend or understand with our rational mind...
and so other innate human faculties MUST come into play
it's the way of truth...
great things don't get discovered (all real scientific breakthroughs included) without Inner Knowing as well as what passes for current mainstream scientific 'fact'. |
That has no substance. In other words, we believe what we believe and what "makes sense" to us. That's nothing new; of course we do. Everyone is free to believe what he or she believes. That's why we call it "belief". But how does that add anything to the conversation or show anyone real and compelling information that what the poster is saying is true??
That was the direct answer to my post about research "on the internet" and how one must be very careful about what types of sites they are using for such "research" as anyone can post anything on the internet. How does that "fluff" add anything to the conversation about real research of real information on the internet??? |
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Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:38 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
| The mainstream media is also complicit in that they don't always present ALL of information in their health segments. This was extremely apparent when a GMO segment was aired on NBC. In presenting the story, no mention of lab animals getting cancer. Isn't this an important part of the story? Of course, they used a *hired gun* dietician who said there wasn't any evidence that they do harm to the human body. WHAT? It's not enough that lab rats fed GMOs eventually formed mammory tumors? What more evidence is needed? |
If you are referring to the Seralini study of Roundup herbicide and Roundup-tolerant genetically modified maize fed to Sprague-Dawley rats, that study has been retracted by the publisher (Elsevier). The official reason given for retraction (after in-depth peer review of the raw data) was the results were inconclusive and therefore do not reach the threshold of publication for Food and Chemical Toxicology.
http://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/elsevier-announces-article-retraction-from-journal-food-and-chemical-toxicology
Given that, it makes sense that the media didn't mention the results of the Seralini study. The dietician was correct - GMOs are safe for consumption. |
Hahaha- Okey dokey Lacy - if you say so. Go ahead and eat GMO foods containing built-in pesticides and see how long it takes to get sick. Sorry not buying into the Kool-aid story cooked up by Monsanto behind the scenes. Again, when money is involved and Monsanto is the biggest chemical giant in this country, then I cannot believe it. Money can buy any results you want. Especially when someone is greasing someone else's pockets. Greed is after all, the route of all evil. In my book, MONSANTO = the DEVIL. LET *THEM* EAT THEIR GMO CRAP.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/17/seralini-gmo-study-retracted.aspx |
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