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free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:21 pm

Mpst - thanks for the reminder on Catski's success! I would love to hear an update from Catski on how it is going!

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:35 pm

Mpstat,

thanks for the tip about the orbital bone. Sounds like a good thing to try.

Also, I think the suggestion about different intensity is a very good one as well.

Kassy - let us know how it will progress.

All the best!

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:28 pm

Kassy,

I don't believe you about being 59 years old. Are you pulling our collective leg?

Inky

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:32 pm

Mpstat,

I'm 'a working on it. Smile

Actually, I would be quite grateful for advice from you gals. I wouldn't be skeptical of it, thinking that you were just trying to sell me something.

Thanks so much-

Inky

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:19 pm

Kassy, didn't you have a similar reaction when you first started using the DermaWand? Or am I mistaken? - can't remember back that far. Anway, I definitely think you should just be using the low setting around the eyes.

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:43 pm

Keliu wrote:

Kassy, didn't you have a similar reaction when you first started using the DermaWand? Or am I mistaken? - can't remember back that far. Anway, I definitely think you should just be using the low setting around the eyes.

Yep, I had an awful increase in my dreaded broken caps the first time I used Derma Wand.. I scaled back on the intensity, and then all was fine..

As for the STOP, I'm just going to do a *lesser* treatment once or twice per week and see how it goes..

If we learn nothing else at EDS, one thing we all have learned is nothing works the same for *all*..

It's not like it's the 1st time something didn't work out, so I'm not really worried about it.. I really wasn't expecting any miracles.

If truth be known, the "only" thing I ever tried and had "great" success with was my Anti-Aging LightStim. I should have quit while I was ahead ... Rolling Eyes

I really do enjoy my toys though, but take each one with a grain of salt...

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:58 pm

Keliu wrote:

Bethany, back to the inflammation issue again - I currently take Omega 3 and MSM - both are anti-inflammatories for my arthritis. So where does that leave me with the inflammation cascade induced by the Dermaroller and Stop - I guess I'm negating everything.

BTW, I agree totally with your methodology and thinking in regard to inflammation and collagen renewal - I'm just putting stuff out their for discussion.

Keliu, I have been taking pine bark extract for inflammation, so I'm in the same boat, lol. I am going to take a break from that for a while, but that is not an option when you have arthritis. I doubt that you can eliminate 100% of it anyway, so I would keep doing what you're doing, but eliminate any topical reduction efforts.

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:01 pm

Kassy_A wrote:

Well I did my 7th treatment last night, and woke up this morning with a very deep wrinkle/line under my right eye that I never had before.. Also, my undereye bags are worse than ever. Both upper eye lids are puffy and the skin looks a bit looser. I'm hoping it's just inflammation, and will improve in the next few days.

I haven't had any improvements at all, just a worsening of the entire eye area so far.. Sad

If you lovely ladies have any suggesstions on how you are using the STOP around your eyes, I'm all ears.. I have been doing it on high, warming the area, then another pass moving the STOP constantly.. Maybe I should be doing it on low .. Anxious

Kassy, that has to be inflammation as opposed to damage and will definitely dissipate. But you might want to switch to medium if the level of inflammation is that high for you.

But skip any calming creams for the moment...let the inflammation work for you and it WILL go away!

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:09 pm

I just thought of something...I wonder if part of the reason I am not seeing the "dramatic shrinking of flesh" is because I had 4 Fraxel treatments in the past? Confused

Just a consideration, since I am not seeing as much in the way of results on my face as I am on my neck (which did not have Fraxel). And I would certainly hate to undersell the tool if that is the case!

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:14 pm

That inflammation theory as a way to keep building collagen worries me, too. So much of enlightened medicine is about eliminating anything that causes inflammation - doing it with sunscreen and antioxidants, for instance, and diet. At the same time, we're being told to burn up and tear up our faces to keep them from disintegrating.(Watch. I'll have a nightmare about that tonight!)

I have had lovely results with Botox, ProActiv and moderate LightStim (more noticeable with the red one than with the red and amber one). My face still feels tight after my Cutera treatment, but I have to wait for six weeks to compare photos to see if there's a visible improvement and it will take longer than that to know if today's improvement is worthwhile in the long run.

Maybe the piper has to be paid - either naturally over time or all at once at the end?

Last week I happened to see both Joan Rivers and Rue McClanahan on TV as they are now after they had so many years of looking young through plastic surgery and who knows what all else. As far as I'm concerned, they look like monsters now and there's nothing that can be done about it.

My mother-in-law was gorgeous when she was young. She looked kind of like Kassy, but with pitch black hair and very white skin. She used Oil of Olay religiously because that's all there was. Her skin was very wrinkled but vibrant until the day she died, looking 93, but a beautiful old lady. Not much sagged on her, actually, but since nobody had tampered with her fat and muscles, there were no irregular dents or collapses in her face.

free skin care · Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:48 pm

chinachatters wrote:

That inflammation theory as a way to keep building collagen worries me, too. So much of enlightened medicine is about eliminating anything that causes inflammation - doing it with sunscreen and antioxidants, for instance, and diet. At the same time, we're being told to burn up and tear up our faces to keep them from disintegrating.(Watch. I'll have a nightmare about that tonight!)

China, inflammation is not all bad...but there needs to be significant breaks between the onslaught, or the acute inflammation turns into chronic inflammation and accelerates aging.

I have read several books on inflammation as a whole, but only Perricone's "The Wrinkle Cure" really focused on skin and aging. I am going to pick up his latest book and see if I learn anything new.

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:09 am

I just want to say that I intend to try the STOP out on my thighs, as it's the only place that I can really, as I'm dermarolling face, neck, chest, arms and hands.
Anyway I know they're bringing out a STOP for the body areas, but my assumption here is that it will be for cellulite and fat. I do think that if you want to use 'this' STOP on the stomach/thighs etc. for SKIN tightening then it SHOULD work just as well as on any other SKIN on the body. If it's fat you're looking to effect then it WON'T work.
Well that's what makes sense to me anyway.
Kassy I can see that line you're talking about, hopefully it's something that'll dissapear when your skin gets used to the STOP. I got crisscross looking lines the other day that I was thinking about posting about. I didn't however. I was thinking it had something to do with my new massage routine, and I'm now sure it was. It's the only new thing I had started, and now after a few days they're GONE. Just as I'd hoped.
Kassy you're 59, my mum's 60. You look FANTASTIC!!!
I love my mum dearly, but she's got horrendous lines and sag. I've tried to give her hints and advise, but she's "too lazy to do anything" (Her words). She really wants to look good though.
You should be very proud of yourself. Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:49 am

Girls,

I was going to make a separate thread about this, and I probably still will, but have you tried Oligo.DX? It is for spot reduction and cellulite:

http://www.dslaboratoriesstore.com/displayProducts.asp?criteria=19623

It works as far as the spot reducing goes. My cellulite is so bad right now, I'm not sure it is working on that. But it is good stuff!

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:26 am

Earlier today I emailed Dr. Azar with some questions about collagen renewal/wound healing cascade and using LED:

Dear Dr. Azar,

I have recently purchased the Stop skin device and have some questions for you:

- I believe that the device stimulates collagen renewal by heating the collagen under the skin which, in turn, causes an inflammation/wound healing cascade. It is the inflammation/wound healing cascade which is important for the regeneration of new collagen. So, if that is the case, does taking anti-inflammatory medication impact on this process.

- Also, what is your opinion on the use of LED devices with the Stop. I read on one web site that the devices should be used 24 hours apart. But wouldn't the LED also impact on the wound healing cascade?

I would be most grateful to hear your views on the above.

Thanking you,

Here is his prompt and somewhat advertorial reply:

Dear Carol,

Thank you for contacting us regarding the innovative STOP™ clinical skin renewal device.

In answer to your query,

One of the most frequent signs of aging in people is the appearance of fine lines and wrinkles. Regardless of when wrinkles are first seen, they are undesirable indicator of age, especially for people who are looking for ways to look and feel their best.

Improved life expectancy has changed the perception of aging and, in turn, propelled scientific anti-aging research that has led to a multitude of anti ageing treatments. Most of the people are using anti aging creams and lotions with limited clinical results. In recent years anti aging research has advanced in a rapid pace and non-invasive treatments such as lasers, and radio-frequency was developed scientifically to treat the signs of aging at professional clinics. STOP™ clinical renewal device offer the same clinically proven results at the comfort of home.

A large body of medical researches has helped to outline intrinsic and extrinsic factors at work in aging skin. The process of intrinsic skin aging follows a similar route as that of most internal organs, with factors including inevitable changes in hormone levels, particularly estrogen, as well as declines in metabolic activity and cell regeneration.

Extrinsic skin aging is caused primarily by UV exposure; however, exposure to environmental pollution and smoking are also significant factors. Yet, while science has, for research purposes, categorized age-inducing factors as either intrinsic or extrinsic, increasing evidence demonstrates their interdependencies; specifically, we are learning more about the ways extrinsic factors accelerate intrinsic aging.

As antiaging clinical studies shows the root of the problem is;

From our twenties the collagen content in our skin is decreasing every year, making it thinner and as a results skin's elasticity, firmness and structure changes occurs. Ultimately, these changes appear as fine lines, wrinkles and sagging facial skin.

Figure 1: As we age the collagen in the skin dermal layer is decreasing at an average rate of 15% every 10 years.

How STOP™ works?

The dermal skin layer contain Fibroblasts – cells that maintain skin structure by constantly producing new collagen and other structural proteins. As antiaging research show, the number of Fibroblasts in the skin is reduced with age and their metabolism slows down. TriPollar™ energy heats the dermal layer from within while protecting the superficial layer, the epidermis.

Effective heating of dermal layer result in:

Existing Collagen fibers contract – making immediate skin tightening and firming.

Fibroblasts metabolism increases, producing new collagen molecules at an accelerated pace for the long lasting effects. Thus, reversing the process of skin aging.

I am attaching for your convenience a short video animation that demonstrate the process.

Taking anti-inflammatory medication does not impact this skin renewal process.

I would not recommend to use LED device at the same time with the STOP.

Hope this helps you.
With Kind Regards,

Dr. Zion Azar
Chairman www.stop-age.com www.tripollar.com

I should also have asked him about using anti-inflammatory topicals such as emu oil but I'm sure he would have just recommended to us the cream that comes in the kit.

Re the video he attached - do I have to upload it to somewhere like Photobucket in order to share it here?

Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:18 am

Right all I'm Danny and i have a PhD in Age Reversal, for many years Ive tried so many gadgets and been luck enough to be able to analyse my skin in the laboratory using samples and ultra sound.

The Stop Tripollar causes no inflammation at all!!!!! and in my tests its the best thing since sliced bread.

Ive got 2 clients who have through dermarolling caused massive damage to their skin thru infections getting into the skin and vast amounts of burst capillaries and Acne spreading just to name a few problems. Ive analysed skin after 6 weeks of Dermarolling and no way do they match in the slightest the results Ive got from Stop.

The needles from the dermaroller are varied people can be silly enough to use needle's to large for the face and cause nerve damage.

Stop bypasses the top layer of the skin and goes to where it matters and where we cant get to with any cream or lotion. Any Machine that reached this area is wonderful its causes us to get loads more healthy collagen and Healthy Elastin.

Im a slim quite muscular lad and my face hasn't got any thinner at all all that's happened is that its taken extra years off my face and my skin looks incredible.

My clients use it on their hands and bodies to help the skin regenerate,, but don't forget we cant work miracles people. Many people that have lots of cellulite and damaged skin need to totally change their diet and do some form of exercise to help get rid of toxins and to reoxygenate the skin .

If you have some other type of LED device Ive got a Baby Q i only use it ever so often as really the Stop seems to do all that is needed. So no need for Anti inflammatories which can do more harm than good, just eat well drink water,, use a good skin cream ( the Stop Cream works well but so do lots of others)

Hope this answers some of your questions,, , when i did my ultra sound after 6 or 7 weeks my skin was thicker and had a very good network of Collagen and Elastin.

So STOP WORRYING ,,,, its a great thing to use so i would say if you can afford it buy it

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:42 am

Welcome Danny! So great to read your positive comments.

Are you sure the Stop causes no inflammation - we're all under the impression that it's the inflammation and subsequent wound healing cascade that causes the collagen to regenerate.

Exactly how long have you been using Stop? And how long did it take to see results?

Wow! a PhD in Age Reversal - never knew there was such a thing - be prepared - you're going to be inundated with questions!

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:46 am

IMO the video that Dr. Azar sent me is of absolutely no interest so I'm not going to bother posting a link to it here. It's just an animation of the Stop device going over the surface of the skin and fibroblasts forming in the dermis.

Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:24 am

Hello there no major inflammation,, the heat produced in the dermis causes the fibres to heat up not massive heat that would cause the inflammation response,, that would be directly contradict the reason for using Stop!!

The contraction of the fibres gives the lovely firming effect and the long term effect on the heated dermis is lots of new amazing fibres to be produce causing that lovely thickening of the skin and skin to be totally rejuvenated.

Exfoliants such as and peels and microdermabrasion,, they can be quite harsh on the skin and the top layer can get very inflamed but if done properly the irritation caused and the production of collagen.But the minus is that sometimes you look like a freak until this heals.

I just love the way that Stop works on the deep down layer of skin and literally plumps up existing lines and wrinkles. The first week i noticed such a difference and after 7 weeks the most amazing difference.

I still exfoliate using Julie Robins peels and all of her products and her trans dermal protein treatments so I'm getting the best of both works working on the surface of the skin rebuilding it and the dermis. So I'm getting the best of both world external skin rejuvenation and dermis rejuvenation.

Hope this helps

Ps I swear by Julie's products I've analysed them all in the laboratory and they are the best quality Ive ever come across and they have removed scars over 10 years old!!!!

Be well

Danny

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:56 am

savill01 wrote:

Right all I'm Danny and i have a PhD in Age Reversal, for many years Ive tried so many gadgets and been luck enough to be able to analyse my skin in the laboratory using samples and ultra sound.

The Stop Tripollar causes no inflammation at all!!!!! and in my tests its the best thing since sliced bread.

Ive got 2 clients who have through dermarolling caused massive damage to their skin thru infections getting into the skin and vast amounts of burst capillaries and Acne spreading just to name a few problems. Ive analysed skin after 6 weeks of Dermarolling and no way do they match in the slightest the results Ive got from Stop.

The needles from the dermaroller are varied people can be silly enough to use needle's to large for the face and cause nerve damage.

Stop bypasses the top layer of the skin and goes to where it matters and where we cant get to with any cream or lotion. Any Machine that reached this area is wonderful its causes us to get loads more healthy collagen and Healthy Elastin.

Im a slim quite muscular lad and my face hasn't got any thinner at all all that's happened is that its taken extra years off my face and my skin looks incredible.

My clients use it on their hands and bodies to help the skin regenerate,, but don't forget we cant work miracles people. Many people that have lots of cellulite and damaged skin need to totally change their diet and do some form of exercise to help get rid of toxins and to reoxygenate the skin .

If you have some other type of LED device Ive got a Baby Q i only use it ever so often as really the Stop seems to do all that is needed. So no need for Anti inflammatories which can do more harm than good, just eat well drink water,, use a good skin cream ( the Stop Cream works well but so do lots of others)

Hope this answers some of your questions,, , when i did my ultra sound after 6 or 7 weeks my skin was thicker and had a very good network of Collagen and Elastin.

So STOP WORRYING ,,,, its a great thing to use so i would say if you can afford it buy it

Danny - thank you for your posts! I am especially glad to read that you have done actual skin lab analysis to verify impact of Stop RF on your skin. Stop RF device has been working very well for me, and I fall into category of people who respond well to RF. My skin was pretty good already, no wrinkles, or fine lines (except a couple on forehead, they are still there maybe a bit smoother), after I started Stop treatments I started look fresher, and definitely even younger then before. I wish that everyone would respond well to RF! Stop RF is one of my best investments (along with facial exercises and ProLight LEDs) especially for skin tightening.

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:29 am

savill01 wrote:

Ps I swear by Julie's products I've analysed them all in the laboratory and they are the best quality Ive ever come across and they have removed scars over 10 years old!!!!

Be well

Danny

Is this Julie Robins of Perfect Complexion that you are talking about?

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:56 am

I'm just wondering if any 'post' menopausal gals are seeing positive results with STOP?

Me's thinking maybe I just don't have enough collagen left to tighten ... Sad

BTW, I looked at my log/calendar, and I did 8 STOP treatments, not 7.

Argh! The older I get, the harder it is to keep up.. Everyday seems to bring a new obstacle to deal with .. Crying or Very sad

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:07 am

savill01 wrote:

The Stop Tripollar causes no inflammation at all!!!!! and in my tests its the best thing since sliced bread...

Hello there no major inflammation,, the heat produced in the dermis causes the fibres to heat up not massive heat that would cause the inflammation response,, that would be directly contradict the reason for using Stop!!

There is definitely inflammation, though the level will vary by person. Kassy's pics are definite proof, as well as the STOP manual which states that edema is a result of treatment.

savill01 wrote:

Ive got 2 clients who have through dermarolling caused massive damage to their skin thru infections getting into the skin and vast amounts of burst capillaries and Acne spreading just to name a few problems. Ive analysed skin after 6 weeks of Dermarolling and no way do they match in the slightest the results Ive got from Stop.

It sounds like your clients were not following recommended rolling protocol.

Exactly what results are you seeing at 6 weeks with STOP? I would love to hear more about this!

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:09 am

I absolutely agree with Mpstat - it is OK to question someone's expertise and opinion, it is not OK to be nasty about it. My assumption would be that Danny is getting his Ph.D. in Biochemistry or any other discipline with emphasis on age reversal studies. On the other hand if there could be Ph.D. in nursing I guess anything else is possible.

Keliu - thank you so much for getting the information about Stop from the author of the product. It does seem to make sense. I just hope the results will eventually follow.

Kassy - I would suspect that age may affect the speed of collagen buildup, and that would mean that it would take a bit longer for a more wise person to see the results. Even though I find it so hard to believe you really are 59... You look incredible (yes, even in that picture where you had seen new lines - you are still exceptionally young looking).

Keliu - do you see any results?

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:40 am

Kassy_A wrote:

I'm just wondering if any 'post' menopausal gals are seeing positive results with STOP?

Me's thinking maybe I just don't have enough collagen left to tighten ... Sad

BTW, I looked at my log/calendar, and I did 8 STOP treatments, not 7.

Argh! The older I get, the harder it is to keep up.. Everyday seems to bring a new obstacle to deal with .. Crying or Very sad

Maybe you just need more time, Kassy? But, it may also be a case of you not responding to RF. There are some who don't respond to it.

free skin care · Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:10 am

I found an interesting site talking about Pologen ( a professional equipment made by the same company/inventor).

The short translation - the visible results are expected after 6 treatments, the mechanism described is exactly as Keliu got from the inventor, inflammation is not mentioned at all and is not the mechanism for collagen building, the use directly on the eye is not recommended, only on the brow bone and on the lower lid all the way to the edge, etc.

They also published some Before/After pictures (done at some location in France). Here is the link http://www.rflifting.ru/client/result/.

So may be there is hope for those of us who are yet to see the results.

HTH

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