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Evies
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:34 pm  |
hey, i came here a while ago freaking out about my eye wrinkles/crow's feet, which, at the tender age of 27 are quite far advanced! i definitely look pretty haggard for my age!
i've been on a series of glycolic peels for several months and even though they're helping my skin tone in general (slightly), i haven't seen them do *anything* at all for my eye wrinkles! i'm about to throw in the towel with these.
i also asked an esthetician about microdermabrasian and she said that probably wouldn't do much for my area of concern yet didnt have much specific advice for me other than hawking her specific line of eye cream.
as i'm asking around and seeking opinions, i'm finding that NO ONE seems to have an answer to this problem!
right i am really interested in those of you who can actually say, "yes, i used this specific product or did this specific procedure, and i noticed a definite improvement in my eye wrinkles." is there anyone out there?
p.s. no botox please, not interested! |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:45 pm |
Yes, I've had great success with a number of things.
Exfoliating your eyes isn't the way to go in my opinion. I used to do this until recently. I feel I did more damage than good and I'm having much more success now I've stopped. You can only use gentle exfoliation here because the skin is quite different from other parts of your face. You cannot stimulate collagen production in your eye area with strong exfoliation.
I think you can have a good effect on crows feet, ie outside the actual eye area with strong exfoliation though.
In the past I used Retin A and now I'm using Green Cream (retinol), which is a little milder but still strong enough to work for me. It works by thinning the surface of the skin slightly and thickening the epidermis. The surface action softens any wrinkles and the thickening of the epidermis plumps out the skin.
In addition to that Vit C stimulates collagen production in the eye area. I don't have any right now, but I wish I did. This makes a big difference.
I'm also using Copper peptides in the area, but a lot of people find they have sensitivity to that especially on their eye area.
On top of that it is useful to plump up the area with a mixture of Hyaluronic Acid (humectant) and something emollient preferably emu oil - the humectant sucks the emollient into your skin for further plumping. This is also healthy because it has an anti-inflammatory action. You have to remember the eye area has no oil producing glands so you can get dehydration lines here too. It needs additional help with moisture.
There are other things I would like to try including DMAE, but the things above definitely give my eye area a radical improvement. Still not perfect, but on a good day the lines (which are most pronounced between my cheek and under-eye area are not noticeable).
Exfoliation is in my opinion only one step. I believe you need 3.
1. You can exfoliate/resurface but only gently to help the actives to penetrate.
2. use something active to stimulate collagen/thicken the skin (e.g. retinol/Vit C)
3. use something for cosmetic plumping and moisturising
You can get all these things cheaply without the hype and they all have research behind them.
Edited to ask: Can you describe your 'wrinkles' more exactly? after re-reading your post I'm not sure if they are the eye area or not.
Good Luck! M  |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:49 pm |
| Molly what percentage of Vitamin C did you use around your eyes? Did you have to work up to that perchentage? |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:02 pm |
Hi Theresa
I was using I think it's 12%, the one from Cellular Skin RX. I think that's a beginner's percentage, but it certainly had an effect. I'm in no way sensitive to anything though and I think I remember you are from your posts. Sensitive people seem to have problems with the various bases used in the C formulations so you should check that out first.
p.s. Evie - are you using sunscreen daily on the area?
Forgotten to mention I also used to do facial exercises regularly to build the muscle in the problem area and now I do them intermittently to maintain muscle and more often do massage.
Sorry! I have a lot to say, but the eye area and immediate environs has been my major focus since my early thirties.  |
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Evies
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:50 pm |
no you didn't write too much at all molly, i appreciate all the help i can get, trust me!!
my eye issues, since you asked:
under each eye i have two distinct lines that extend outward onto the orbital bone. nothing at all helps with those. i also have the beginnings of crow's feet all around my eye (they're definitely visible at this point, more defined than just "fine lines")...and the area around my eyes is just getting more fragile and crinkly in general. keep in mind i'm only 27. the whole ugly process probably started there by the time i hit 25.
i forgot to mention that i DO use retin a... i used .5 for about 6 months and recently switched to .25 about 2 months ago...it makes my skin softer on the whole but i see no major changes in the wrinkles.
i figured that using retin a in combination with aha (professional peels) would be a help... but so far, no good. i will have to add a vitamin c product to my routine.
also: so far i am a major doubter of all types of eye creams, having used a few diff. products over the years with absolutely zero results!! |
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27 years old, here for anti-aging issues. |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:32 pm |
Evies,
I'm 52, so I've gone through my share of eye creams over the years and you're right - most of them are pretty worthless. Even at my age, though, I don't really have lines (a couple of faint ones) or crow's feet (none that I can see). I can't really attribute this to any product, but rather to the fact that I have ALWAYS worn sunglasses since I was 14 years old and got my first pair of (hard) contact lenses that made my eyes very sensitive to sunlight. So basically, I have only very rarely squinted throughout my life.
My eye issues involve crepiness and bags - and I've been struggling with both of these since my early 30s - but I can say that following a regimen very similar to what Molly suggested for the last year has almost eliminated my problems. Vit C, retinol, and HA have made a very visible difference. Also, the ONLY eye cream I have EVER used that has had a visible effect has been the IS Clinical eye cream. Using that smoothed out the texture and crepiness remarkably well in a couple of months.
You may be having problems with dry skin or dehydration under your eyes, especially if you're exfoliating heavily or using retinols. When I had this problem, using a moisturizing oil really helped. Burt's Bees makes a rose oil, and one of my favorites is the Classic Rose Facial Oil from mountainroseherbs.com (http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/face/face.php) There are lots of other suitable oils as well depending on your skin type.
Good luck to you in your search for answers. |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 6:47 pm |
Hi Evies
I agree with Hope. Your skin sounds very stressed and dehydrated. You seem to be doing all exfoliation and no nourishing or protecting. I'd consider cutting back on AHAs in the eye area itself. What strength AHAs are you using?
To add C is definitely a good move, but you need to do a number of things not just one.
And add HA acid and emu oil to nourish. You can get a good light one for day use now called Clear Emu Oil (http://www.dianayvonne.com/category/15/). And if you find it shows too much during the day use it at night. Buy samples of everything. It takes some experimentation to find the right balance of products for you. We're all different.
I also agree with Hope on the eye cream front. I wasted SO MUCH money in my thirties. Unfortunately over the counter eye creams have very minute amounts of whatever active ingredient they promise and I don't think a cream is a good delivery system - serums seem to penetrate better. I only ever found one eye cream I liked and I won't tell you it's name because it's so damned expensive.
Also, sun protection?? If you're using AHAs and Retin A they all make you more susceptible to damage and it'll be a losing battle. What are you using?
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:12 pm |
Molly:
Do you really think we'll let you go without telling use the eye cream you like?  . Com'on, tell us! We want to know!!! |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:19 pm |
| Yea Molly, what eye cream, we want to know? |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:22 pm |
If Molly says it's the Valmont one, we're doomed  EDS recommended it for me, except I slipped & fell off me chair when I saw the $$$.  |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:28 pm |
LOL - I'll give you some clues. It begins with a 'C'. It comes from Europe. People always put  in their reviews of the entire brand.
I'm afraid the word will never leave my lips again. As far as I'm concerned it's the C word?!. I've changed my philosophy since I tried IS Clinical. I'm never buying pricy brands again so I refuse to recommend it. It was only a quick fix anyway.
I'm having just as much success if not more with just Green Cream, CPs, home-brewed green tea and HA - I'm all out of every other damn thing.
Do some detective work. I recommended it many times in the past! First one to get it right wins a prize! Half used bottles of IS Clinical Active and Supercool serums.
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 7:50 pm |
| cellcosmet???? It's the only C word eye cream bandied about on the forum |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 8:32 pm |
| I just started using my Cellcosmet eye cream again and just love it. This is just the perfect one. |
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Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:17 pm |
Some forum members absolutely swear by Cellcosmet eye cream. But I'm 54 and just starting to think I may want to try an eye cream -- I'd like to hear what someone who's more mature (Mabsy's in her twenties, after all) says about it! Molly, you're closer in age but I've still got several years on you!
Another thing I'm wondering is if it works at bedtime just as well. I use Vit.C and sunscreen and they're both oily -- I don't know if an eye cream would make my eye area too greasy. Then again, I'd think the best time to use one would be while awake, when the dynamism of eye movement creates lines in the first place. I'm on the fence! But I have to agree with Molly about sticking to the basics -- using too many products at once can be problematic and ultimately ineffective and wasteful. And while I still use some expensive ones (ISC Firming Complex, SC CE+Ferulic, and Avene sunscreen), I've been disappointed by too many pricey products I've tried. I'd be p**sed if I spent $150 for an eye cream and ended up without any benefit. Decleor Hydrotenseur eye serum was a bust, for example. So was Decleor Prolagene Gel and Vitaroma Total for Face. At my age, I want visible results, not something that may just feel good. I've got so much stuff, including tons of samples, I should just quit for a while. But my eyes have been looking a bit dry lately and I've even backed off using Avene Ystheal Contour des Yeux, which is a milder retinoid. In fact, I've generally backed off retinoid use and my skin is looking better. I think I was overdoing it (for me), and just can't use retinoids as often as I have in the past. Too much and the skin gets dry and crinkly. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 4:10 am |
Around my eyes - including my eyelids - there has been a remarkable improvement since I started using PSF's StimuColl Intensive Eye Serum. There is still a bit of loose skin on my lids but it settles smoothly (I blot the serum after a minute or so). My esthetician can't believe the change & that "her" products could never accomplish the same results on me! I use the Cellcosmet Eye Cream for lines & moisture - but I must admit that I get as close to my eyes as I can (not on lids) with Tazorac. My eyes don't come close to looking their real age (54  ). |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:17 am |
I didn't find cellcosmet moisturized enough-very light. It's hard to find an eye ream to cover all the bases. I've been looking at the Jan Marini one for a long time, no one seems to have tried it. I need something for day that stays with me through my myriad of facial expression-mostly frowning-I'm the mother of teenagers.
Jan Marini Skin Research Transformation Eye Cream utilizes TGF Beta-1 (transforming growth factor) technology to benefit the thinner, more age-prone eye area to dramatically lessen the visible signs of aging. Transformation Eye Cream is a highly emollient formulation that provides unique lubrication and hydrating factors that actually bond to the area surrounding the eyes. This bonding action enables the thinner eye area skin to more easily and flexibly cope with movement and environmental exposure. Jan Marini Skin Research has also incorporated newly pioneered liposome delivery system. Micronized liposome technology is thousands of times smaller than conventional systems. So small, in fact, that each carrier bead is 1/20th the size of a red blood cell! Even more dynamic, our new liposome structure is in a time released format, so that the essential components of the Eye Cream are targeted continuously and precisely over periods of time.
Features & Benefits:
Dramatically benefits the thinner age-prone eye area
Unique lubricating and hydrating factors bond to skin surrounding the eye area, enabling delicate skin to cope with movement and environmental exposure
Newly pioneered timed release micronized delivery system delivers key ingrendients over extended periods of time
Compatible with glycolic acid products, Retin-A and makeup
It's also reasonably priced so..we'll see. For the moment, since my eye area is very dry, I'm using PSF HA serum under any eye cream & it'll really helping. The beauty of this serum is that I can use it on my eye lids without the addition of another eye cream during the day. It moisturizes my lids without adding the greasy/oily feel like eye cream. Eye makeup doesn't slide around but my eyes are still well lubricated. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:20 am |
Undereye lines are a problem that I'm having difficulty in addressing, too. Nothing seemed to work well in diminishing their appearance.
But I tried a sample of the Remergent Microcirculation Therapy last night and nearly fell over when I looked in the mirror about 15 to 20 minutes later! It's supposed to help with dark circles and tired eyes - the blurb doesn't say anything about wrinkles, but the bags under one eye had completely gone and the other looked much less puffy. Possibly due to the decrease in puffiness, my undereye lines definitely looked much less noticeable.
Mind you, I also used a little Emu Oil under my eyes over the top of this. Perhaps a combination of the two made this difference, I'm wondering?
I'll be reordering the Microcirculation Therapy, for sure. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 6:38 am |
| m.april wrote: |
| Some forum members absolutely swear by Cellcosmet eye cream. But I'm 54 and just starting to think I may want to try an eye cream -- I'd like to hear what someone who's more mature (Mabsy's in her twenties, after all) says about it! Molly, you're closer in age but I've still got several years on you! |
I'm 45 and I have and use Cellcosmet eye cream sometimes. It's a moisturizing eye cream but that's about the extent of what it can do because of the ingredients. If you want a luxurious feeling eye cream that smells divine and feels pampering then go for it as a special treat. However, if I use it too often I get clogged pores around my crow feet area. If you want a hard working wrinkle treating eye cream then you may want to look at another product.
I've basically stopped buying new eye creams and am sticking to my alternation of Perricone Eye Cream ( I know many hate this), an AHA serum or eye cream such as MD Forte, MD Formulations or IS Active Serum and Rx Renova.
There are alot of great moisturizing eye creams out there and they certainly have their place in my skin care when I need it, but at my age I prefer eye "treatments" with some active ingredients on a daily basis. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:48 am |
Molly thanks for the Vitamin C information. Perhaps since I have found an eye cream that is working for my fine lines I should not worry about trying anything else at this time. But I will keep your sensitive skin cautions in mind if I do decide to start using Vitamin C around my eyes. Can you give your honest opinion of ISC Proheal and Super Serum? I am trialing Proheal and would be interested to hear what you have to say about it. I haven't really made up my mind on it yet.
Now for the eye cream that works for me. You may have heard me raving about this in other posts it "is" the Cellcosmet Eye Cream. It seems that some of you have not had results with this and feel that you need something more and I can understand that. I am 38 and really do not have problems with wrinkles around my eyes. I do have fine lines that I think are mostly due to dehydration (I live in the desert). Before I started using the Cellcosmet a few weeks ago I had never found an eye cream that could hydrate my skin enough to make the lines disappear (unless I was in a really humid environment). Cellcosmet did this and I really like the look of the skin around my eyes since I have been using it. Is it a product to eliminate lines that are deeper than fine lines? It seems from what some of you are saying that it will not. But for someone in a similar situation to myself I would strongly recommend this eye cream. IMO the effects that this cream has produced on my fine lines are worth paying for. If someday I find somethin cheaper that works then all the better!
marina it always amazes me how we can have totally different results with some products. I would swear by the hydrating abilities of the Cellcosmet Eye Cream and yet you say it is not moisturizing enough. I do believe your opinion of the eye cream is valid and would never doubt what you say. I just always find it amazing that we can have such different opinions and results from products!! |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:15 am |
i am using caudalie eye cream and i mix it with emu oil, so far its okey but i am still looking for something out there. I think these eye area problem is something that is difficult to fix, if there is even any out there. I am so desperate with my eye area either, makes me look older, tired and dull  |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:19 am |
| majorb- the Remergent Microcirculation Therapy sounds very good. Please keep us update with your results. Thanks. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:23 am |
TheresaL,
Keep in mind I tried Cellcosmet in thie middle of a Canadian winter & I guess my eyes really need hydration. I'm also 50 although the rest of my face dosen't think so. The rest of my skin is oily, but the eyes...I even use the PSF supercharged whatever eyecream & it's just enough moisture if I put HA under it. Now that summer is TRYING to get here, everything does a flip-flop. If I use a too rich eye cream I'll end up with milia..can't I just have NORMAL skin : |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:34 am |
so you put the emu oil on, then the ha serum? I have the ha serum but not the emu oil. Do you need to make sure the emu oil is absorbed before putting on the ha serum? Can you use all these things and a vit. C under you eyes?
What strength retinol to use around eyes. Do you need moisture over the retinol. Can you use retinol at night and Vit.C during the day on you eyes. Okay, somebody tell me to shut up.
Sorry sorry sorry for all the questions but I too have problems there. Two fine lines are really bugging me and I'm only 28. I really wasn't expecting much to show there until I got older. Right now I use psf stimucoll and I haven't seen anything good, or bad for that matter. I have been using it for a couple of months atleast and am ready to move on. |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:00 am |
Razinkane
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| Okay, somebody tell me to shut up |
SHUT UP!
Stimucoll is mainly Vit C, though at a low percentage so you tried that. Maybe you could try something at a higher percentage.
You can just use HA to plump the eye area but only if there is enough moisture in the air otherwise it'll suck in the moisture from your skin and make them look worse - if you're in the desert or Beijing you need an emolliant (emu or similar) over the top and the HA sucks that in. You can put the HA on first and then the emu or you can mix them together in your hand and apply.
There are two gentle Vitamin A/Retinol options you can start with - try samples it'll last long enough for the eye area
gentlest Derm A Gel
http://www.dianayvonne.com/product/VIVS14
(I haven't tried this one)
a bit stronger Green Cream 3 or 6
ttp://www.dianayvonne.com/product/GCS6
Best to use Retinol at night because it makes you sun sensitive and Vit C day because it's an anti-oxidant.
But slow down - don't run off and start buying things!!! These suggestions are things which have worked well for me and others, but might not be for you.
Describe your problem more exactly to us first. Is it crows feet, dynamic lines, dehydration - where are the lines. We don't really know. What kind of climate do you live in? what kind of skin do you have? Are you sensitive to products?
We want to know all this and more M |
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Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:10 am |
| p.s. can you recommend a good effective retin a for under eye areas I don't need a prescription for? |
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