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Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:57 pm  |
Anyone experienced that? I washed my face with it last week 2days in a row to remove my Sofina ss cuz I heard only oil can remove it completely. I seemed to have tiny pimples surfacing like days later. At first, I wasn't sure if it was the cleansing oil or the silicones in the ss that's causing this breakout. So this Mon, I tried washing my face with the cleansing oil again but I didn't use the Sofina ss. Just 2days later, I seemed to notice a few more bumps appearing on my face and around my eyes  I used a cleansing milk after the cleansing oil to remove any residue. Just wanna know if anyone experienced the same or is it just me?  |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:52 pm |
Hey! I just saw this today as I am thinking of trying cleansing oil. My Japanese hairstylist has such perfect beautiful skin. She told me that Japanese cleansing oils are very popular but the ones I can find here are pricey or full of other not so pure ingredient or irritating oils like lemon or orange.
I am thinking of trying to make my own or the GOW one. Anyways, here's the link about the oils. Very informative.
http://www.joseibi.com/store/view_article.asp?idArticle=51 |
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Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:18 pm |
if you live in a humid climate and have oily skin, the sofina ss will probably break you out, the bumps you are describing are similar to what i had when i used it during the humid summers here. i don't think cleansing oil is the culprit since it is a rinse off product which emulsifies completely in water.
also if you use a cleansing oil, you should be following up with a gentle foaming cleanser to ensure all traces of oil and whatnot are removed completely. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:57 am |
| Fancl's cleansing oil's first ingredient (if I remember correctly) is mineral oil so perhaps you're sensitive to that or it's breaking you out. |
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Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:18 am |
It could be safer to use a cleansing oil with natural oils, i.e. DHC deep cleansing oil, Babor hy öl, Bio Elements cleanser for sensitive skin.  |
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:10 am |
| This is a common reaction to cleansing oil. But is not actually the fault of the oil. When washing with cleansing oil, you need to be super sure that you remove all of the access oil with water. If you aren't sure, it is best to use a toner afterwards to remove all the left overs. That should do the trick and stop the breakouts. You shouldn't be using a cleansing milk after the cleansing oil. That could actually cause breakouts! |
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:07 am |
I agree with Sally's comments.
Firstly, I am not trying to come across as offensive, but I think there is a lot of misguided information regarding cleansing oils causing congestion/acne.
I think just about everyone gets scared to death when they see mineral oil as the base ingredient... I don't know what the fuss is, since a well formulated cleansing oil - like Fancl - uses effective emulsifiers which means a) most of the product is rinsed off cleanly with water alone b) it is a rinse off product anyway, so how can mineral oil cause blocked pores? - it is potentially just as bad as any other occlusive natural ingredient like beeswax and saturated plant oils.... You probably do more harm by using a PURE OIL to cleanse the skin since it requires a much stronger solvent to be removed.
You need to ensure you have a follow up cleanser after using a cleansing oil... and honestly I don't think leaving mineral oil on the face for 30 seconds (and being emulsified completely after in water anyway...) is going to be a key culprit in causing breakouts, you need to consider other elements like what the humidity/temperature is like for the other several hours that you are wearing sunscreen/makeup.
As I mentioned before as well, when you use Sofina in warm climate, humidity does not even have to be that high, and if you have slightly oily skin, those are the biggest culprits of causing congestion. I suffer terrible congestion when I use Sofina Perfect in hot damp weather, but again it is not the fault of the product, it's about managing the elements that cause the congestion. |
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:48 pm |
miranets, when I used the Sofina ss, it was not humid at all. In fact, it was a bit chilly! Also, I have normal to dry skin somehow and combination in the t-zone.
I guess maybe all of u is right. I'm not properly removing it all off. I shouldn't have use cleansing milk afterwards. Can I use a face soap to wash it off afterwards or does it have to be a cleansing powder or foaming face wash?
Also, I'm wondering if my skin is purging right now from the cleansing oil? Should I keep on using it or stop? I'm kinda afraid cuz I don't want any big painful zit on my face again. Thanks for the help! |
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:54 pm |
| miranets wrote: |
| if you live in a humid climate and have oily skin, the sofina ss will probably break you out |
Hi miranets!
Sorry if this question has nothing to do with Fancl but I was wondering why it is that Sofina ss will cause breakouts in humid environments? Seeing as Sofina is made in Japan, wouldnt they have formulated a ss that is suitable for Japanese weathers? Also, I've read that Sofina ss is great at controlling oil and mattifying the skin, so why would that cause breakouts?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm curious as I've got a couple of bottles of Sofina ss that I've nto used and will most prob use when its hotter over here
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:48 pm |
Are you sure it's not the cleansing milk that's causing the bumps? Is it a new cleansing milk you're using or have you used it before?
I just started using Fancl cleansing oil with no problems. But when I first used Osea cleansing milk it gave me the same bumps you're describing.
Just thought I'd put that out there. |
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Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:50 pm |
| yeahyeah wrote: |
| miranets wrote: |
| if you live in a humid climate and have oily skin, the sofina ss will probably break you out |
Hi miranets!
Sorry if this question has nothing to do with Fancl but I was wondering why it is that Sofina ss will cause breakouts in humid environments? Seeing as Sofina is made in Japan, wouldnt they have formulated a ss that is suitable for Japanese weathers? Also, I've read that Sofina ss is great at controlling oil and mattifying the skin, so why would that cause breakouts?
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm curious as I've got a couple of bottles of Sofina ss that I've nto used and will most prob use when its hotter over here
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hi yeahyeah
I'm speaking from personal experience regarding the congestion. In the New Zealand summer it can get very humid, plus drizzling rain does not help at all. I dont' know how the humidity in Japan compares to a bad day here in NZ. I also have somewhat irregular skinturn over which means if I use heavy products (like Sofina) and I don't exfoliate frequently - regardless of how well I cleanse, I get a lot of congestion around the t-zone, but it is the type of congestion that disappears very quickly with a thorough scrub.
The concept of oil control is quite deceptive, it is not going to lessen your oil production, and nothing in the sunscreen is designed to absorb excess sebum either. The formulation of Sofina Perfect is very clingy, sticks to the skin very well thus it blocks oil breakthrough for much longer than things like silicon primers, I have what I'd describe as very oily skin, and even after somewhere around 5 hours I do get shine and oil if I use Sofina alone.
It is the exact reason why it might cause breakouts for someone, the formula is so sealing that firstly, it blocks normal sebum production, and if it is humid whatever moisture the skin expires will be trapped underneath the layer of sunscreen.
Of all the sunscreens I have tried on my face, I would say Sofina is the best and most comfortable. If I take some extra steps in my cleansing routine then I can avoid a lot of the congestion problems. I think it is a very well formulated product both in UV stability and aesthetics of finish. |
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Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:46 am |
I've been using Fancl cleansing oil for almost a yr now with no problem! I actually use it to remove my eye makeup too so that I can save one step!  |
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Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:45 am |
| i 've also used fancl cleansing oil and sofina UV cut milk for nearly a year, nothing wrong or unpleasant effect seen so far |
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Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:23 am |
hhm then maybe it might be just my stupid skin
Kareberry, I don't think it's the cleansing milk cuz I've been using it for almost a yr now, and no breakouts from it.
I think it's most likely the cleansing oil that's breaking me out cuz after I used it for a few days, my face started to break out in tiny red bumps and looked congested
I'm so~ stressed out right now cuz of that |
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Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:27 am |
Did you use a toner afterwards? The Josibei link I provided does give details about how to use the cleansing oil and you do need to cleanse it off. It also depends on how dry your skin is.
I prefer natural oils than mineral cos I need it to sink into my skin cos its dry. I wonder though if one could save money and just use baby oil (which is mineral anyways) instead of Fancl or DHC. |
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:32 am |
| btw, do all the products with SPF need cleasing oil for removal? |
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:30 am |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
hhm then maybe it might be just my stupid skin
Kareberry, I don't think it's the cleansing milk cuz I've been using it for almost a yr now, and no breakouts from it.
I think it's most likely the cleansing oil that's breaking me out cuz after I used it for a few days, my face started to break out in tiny red bumps and looked congested
I'm so~ stressed out right now cuz of that |
I know how you feel! If you think it's truly the Fancl then stop it and go back to your normal facial cleanser. I haven't found the need to use a cleansing oil to remove my sofina ss at all. That might be because I have normal to dry skin with pretty tight pores already? The cleansing foam from Shiseido works just fine for me. There are still a lot of other nice cleansing oils that I haven't tried and do have some good reviews like DHC or Shu Uemura. If the bumps are tiny and red maybe you're allergic to something in it? Keep in mind that Fancl states once the bottle is opened it's only fresh for 120 days and if unopened up to 1 year. I really hope you didn't get a lemon! |
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Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:03 am |
masaholly, not all products with SPF needs to be removed with a cleansing oil. I guess only those that's waterproof or water resistent.
Kareberry, I got my Fancl oil from Bobodave. It's sealed when I get it. I don't know if it would be sitting for more than 1yr before they sent it out to me. I stopped using the cleansing oil already cuz I'm afraid that I'll have more outbreaks. I don't think I'll use either the oil or Sofina ss again cuz I'm afraid. I just ordered them so they're basically quite new...I always feel that I'm wasting money on products that're not really working for me It's such a waste...I don't know what to do with them now... |
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:38 pm |
| Septembergirl wrote: |
| It could be safer to use a cleansing oil with natural oils, i.e. DHC deep cleansing oil, Babor hy öl, Bio Elements cleanser for sensitive skin. |
personally, i think fancl is better than dhc, since my eyes tend to get an allergic reaction whenever i use dhc, but doesnt occur w/ fancl |
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:56 pm |
| Stardustdy wrote: |
masaholly, not all products with SPF needs to be removed with a cleansing oil. I guess only those that's waterproof or water resistent.
Kareberry, I got my Fancl oil from Bobodave. It's sealed when I get it. I don't know if it would be sitting for more than 1yr before they sent it out to me. I stopped using the cleansing oil already cuz I'm afraid that I'll have more outbreaks. I don't think I'll use either the oil or Sofina ss again cuz I'm afraid. I just ordered them so they're basically quite new...I always feel that I'm wasting money on products that're not really working for me It's such a waste...I don't know what to do with them now... |
i pm you to send you a picture of how to check expiration day for fancl cleasing oil, since i am a new member, i am not allowed to post a link as a reply |
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Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:19 pm |
| Better try a cleansing milk. Mineral oil will cause break out. |
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