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Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:36 am  |
Ok, so for any of you interested, I had my very first appointment with a plastic surgeon yesterday. I had fillers, which I needed badly. lol I had, a total of 5cc of a combination of Juve, Resty and Perlane and WOW I look fabulous. hehe! The doc's staff was even commenting how much better I looked. And it didn't hurt at all. I was amazed. I even gleaned a great deal of info from him, as well as his in-house esthetician.
I've been using oils on my face, olive oil and emu oil.. And apparently for me anyway, this is a big no-no. I'll still use the emu oil and olive oil on my body though, but not on my face. I've got some redness to deal with which, according to the doc, is probably caused by the emu oil. Big shock there.
I have largeish pores too, which, the esthetician told me is caused by the use of topical oils. The oils prevent my body from producing natural oils. She's going to work with me to help my body start producing its own oils again. So the topical oils are out.
But along with walking out of the office with a bunch of freebies, I bought a Clarisonic!! Wahooo! All the ladies at the office were professing how wonderful the brush is, (they all had the MOST beautiful skin) and they gave me all this literature on it which I read, and yeah, I'm convinced now that it does indeed help to produce collagen in an extremely gently way.
Also derma rolling is out for me it appears. 
The look on their faces when I even brought deram rolling up.  Too much inflammation response. Apparently it's too damaging for my skin anyway. So in 2 weeks, depending on the redness on my face, I go back to the clinic for my very first microdermabrasion!! I'm sooo glad I took the plunge, got the fillers, and I totally recommend fillers to anyone who is considering them. They are so worth it! |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:14 pm |
Good to hear all the info you got, and that you had a positive experience!
Can I ask what location did you have what filler in? Since you had all 3, just wondering what went where.  |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:39 pm |
Yeah, I'm happy that I could report a positive experience with my PS.
hehe! What a great question. I had Juve Ultra for my tear through, and then a combo of Perlane and Resty for around my nasolabial fold area, and up along side my cheek bones. It feels good, no lumpy stuff, nothing hard.. No bruising and really only minimal swelling. I hope that helps!  |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:09 pm |
I am not surprised that they said no-go to the dermaroller. But microdermabrasion also causes inflammation...I'll be interested to see how they recommend that you repair the skin barrier after that.
Cleo - how often were you rolling, and when is the last time that you rolled?
But the topical oil and emu oil comments are interesting, and a bit scary. Emu is a proven anti-inflammatory...how could it cause redness?
Can anyone else weigh in on whether or not these can cause your skin to stop creating their own natural oils? Or were these comments made to get Cleocatra to buy stuff at their office?  |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:18 pm |
| Cleocatra wrote: |
Also derma rolling is out for me it appears.
The look on their faces when I even brought deram rolling up. Too much inflammation response. Apparently it's too damaging for my skin anyway. So in 2 weeks, depending on the redness on my face, I go back to the clinic for my very first microdermabrasion!! I'm sooo glad I took the plunge, got the fillers, and I totally recommend fillers to anyone who is considering them. They are so worth it! |
I think it great that you had such a wonderful experience, but I find it odd that they would frown at dermarolling, yet have you come back for microdermabrasion, as microdermabrasion will likely cause inflammation as well, and the kind that is not beneficial. After all, it is the inflammatory response that is allowing the dermarolling process to be effective. The journal articles that I have read on PCI do a good job comparing and contrasting dermarolling to traditional epidermis stripping methods. Just a thought! |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:21 pm |
| bethany wrote: |
I am not surprised that they said no-go to the dermaroller. But microdermabrasion also causes inflammation...I'll be interested to see how they recommend that you repair the skin barrier after that.
Cleo - how often were you rolling, and when is the last time that you rolled?
But the topical oil and emu oil comments are interesting, and a bit scary. Emu is a proven anti-inflammatory...how could it cause redness?
Can anyone else weigh in on whether or not these can cause your skin to stop creating their own natural oils? Or were these comments made to get Cleocatra to buy stuff at their office? |
My thoughts exactly. I take everything doctors and dermatologist say with a grain of salt. |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:40 pm |
Ok the last roll I did was about 3 weeks ago, and it was the .25mm I used, not the 1mm. I was doing about one roll a month with the 1.00, for a total of about 4 or 5 times (I'd have to check my calendar to make sure though). I was wondering the same thing if they said no to the dermarolling for any particular reason other than perhaps $. Getting me to try some treatment of theirs instead. I actually had heard in one of my alt med classes about the use of oils and it causing the body to cease producing its own natural oils. But the emu oil, and it causing redness did surprise me. I mean, that's all I used, emu oil and vitamin e for a topical and about once every 2 weeks a little Retina-A.
The microdermabrasion, yes I know, causes inflammation as well. But I do have a uh, rather serious pore problem.
What the PS told me and his staff about dermarolling was that it causes too much inflammation response, that's the problem, but this is for me.. It causes too much for my skin to handle.
Generally I too take what doctors suggest with a grain ( a very minute one at that) with a gain of salt, but it's hard to refute what he told me when I'm looking in the mirror at the redness in my face and thinking about how bad my skin looks..
So here's what I'm thinking: I'm going to lay off the emu oil and the vitamin e, for 3 weeks, IF they're right, my skin should calm down, IF they're wrong..... The proof is in the pudding.. I'll give you all an update in 3 weeks, so stay tuned.. |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:03 pm |
| Cleocatra wrote: |
What the PS told me and his staff about dermarolling was that it causes too much inflammation response, that's the problem, but this is for me.. It causes too much for my skin to handle.
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You know I can definitely relate to the rollers being too much, but if you were still read after rolling with a .25mm 3 weeks ago, there is a bigger issue...like maybe a retinoid reaction if you applied Retin A right after you rolled.
I did that with my .15mm, and was definitely red for 3 weeks. But if I don't use RA, I am only inflammed/peely for a week (yes, even though it's the shortest needle out there).
Or possibly it may be rosacea?
BTW, is this doctor a plastic surgeon or a dermatologist? |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:13 pm |
| Cleocatra wrote: |
Ok the last roll I did was about 3 weeks ago, and it was the .25mm I used, not the 1mm. I was doing about one roll a month with the 1.00, for a total of about 4 or 5 times (I'd have to check my calendar to make sure though). I was wondering the same thing if they said no to the dermarolling for any particular reason other than perhaps $. Getting me to try some treatment of theirs instead. I actually had heard in one of my alt med classes about the use of oils and it causing the body to cease producing its own natural oils. But the emu oil, and it causing redness did surprise me. I mean, that's all I used, emu oil and vitamin e for a topical and about once every 2 weeks a little Retina-A.
The microdermabrasion, yes I know, causes inflammation as well. But I do have a uh, rather serious pore problem.
What the PS told me and his staff about dermarolling was that it causes too much inflammation response, that's the problem, but this is for me.. It causes too much for my skin to handle.
Generally I too take what doctors suggest with a grain ( a very minute one at that) with a gain of salt, but it's hard to refute what he told me when I'm looking in the mirror at the redness in my face and thinking about how bad my skin looks..
So here's what I'm thinking: I'm going to lay off the emu oil and the vitamin e, for 3 weeks, IF they're right, my skin should calm down, IF they're wrong..... The proof is in the pudding.. I'll give you all an update in 3 weeks, so stay tuned.. |
Your redness could be rosacea, in which case, the microdermabrasion may make it worse. I guess you just have to experiment and see what works for you.
For a period of time I was taking fish and flax oil for dry eyes and it made my skin super supple and oily (in a good way)...it was hard to keep up with though. I took a tablespoon of each night and the taste was just vile, even with a chaser. I just bought more from vitacost, we'll see how long that regimen will last! |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:44 pm |
No it's not rosacea. I've never had that issue at all..
And Bethany, no I never did use the Retin-A after rolling, I was too chicken, afraid it would sting too much. Also the doc is a dermatologist and a PS. That's one reason I went to him because I thought being a PS and a dermatologist he MIGHT know what he's talking about..
I'll see if I can find in my text books that topic I read, about topical oils being a no-no in regards to our bodies ability to produce its own oils. If I can find it, I'll post it here.. |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:07 pm |
fantastic info !!
Thanks for sharing and please let us know all the cool things youre learning.Im surprised about the Emu too!!
Coco..oh yea,take Drs & Derms advice with a grain of salt is such good advice.Do they want to push their own products or fix you.
Oh,Cleo,please share the brand of Emu you are using.
Thanks and I really hope you get incredible results. |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:28 pm |
| Cleocatra wrote: |
I'll see if I can find in my text books that topic I read, about topical oils being a no-no in regards to our bodies ability to produce its own oils. If I can find it, I'll post it here.. |
I would love to know if you can find it! I seem to have gone from ultra oily to ultra dry. |
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Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:42 pm |
| Hmm, if topical oils do inhibit our own body's ability to produce oil, why shouldn't it be an acceptable way of managing oily skin? As long as we don't overdo the topical oils until the point that we dry out our skin, a bit of "oil inhibition" by topical oils might be a better way to control oil compared to other oil-stripping skincare methods? Is my argument flawed?? |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:06 am |
I second the thanks-for-sharing, and glad you're so pleased with the results so far!
Also, I'm fascinated that it didn't hurt at all. My sister mentioned in passing that she had some derma filler injections before (I forget the brand) and she liked the effects while they lasted, but mentioned that getting it hurt like hell.
Being a complete pain weenie (the kind who actually brings a squeezy toy to clench in my fist when I've had Botox shots--yes, really), I haven't gone for the filler injections yet. Did they apply any topical anesthetic on your skin before the injections and if so, what was it?
Also, IMHO, I say feh to the whole microdermabrasion route...for the irritation and expense and successive sessions (I've tried it), next time I'd consider a one-time peel, like the Vi Peel that platinumrose recently enjoyed. (Besides a pain weenie, I'm also impatient, and thrifty.) |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:36 am |
| bethany wrote: |
I am not surprised that they said no-go to the dermaroller. But microdermabrasion also causes inflammation...I'll be interested to see how they recommend that you repair the skin barrier after that.
But the topical oil and emu oil comments are interesting, and a bit scary. Emu is a proven anti-inflammatory...how could it cause redness?
Can anyone else weigh in on whether or not these can cause your skin to stop creating their own natural oils? Or were these comments made to get Cleocatra to buy stuff at their office? |
I was thinking the same things regarding the dermaroller and microderm.
Microderm can cause broken caps and depending on what your issues are it does not provide long lasting results. But can be a nice a treatment if your skin can handle it.
I question the info on oils also. I do know from my own experience that finding the right oils can be difficult sometimes. My skin does not like olive or emu among a few others. But now that I've found the right oils for me, my skin is much more balanced.
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| But along with walking out of the office with a bunch of freebies, I bought a Clarisonic!! Wahooo! All the ladies at the office were professing how wonderful the brush is, (they all had the MOST beautiful skin) and they gave me all this literature on it which I read, and yeah, I'm convinced now that it does indeed help to produce collagen in an extremely gently way. |
I know many love the clarisonic but I didn't care for it. I felt it was too irritating which surprised me because I've used other similar things that I didn't find irritating. How does it help produce collagen?
Also Keep in mind that although the ladies in the office had beautiful skin, you don't know what kind of procedures they are may have had or if they naturally have great skin.
It sound like you had a great experience with your fillers so thats great! |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 6:09 am |
Glad you had success with the fillers - I never seem to have much luck with them although I've never found an injector that's any good (and I've tried a few). I also believe that in the before and after pics they show you they don't tell you how much that particular patient had injected so it's a bit misleading as to how much you actually need. I've also found having the injections hurt like hell then I swell up like a balloon.
As for the doctor's comments on the rolling, I'm not surprised at all. No doctor is going to recommend a DIY procedure, of course they're going to recommend their own treatments. Personally, microdermabrasion did nothing for me and I think it's far more intrusive to the skin than needling. I also think that the emu oil might be a little "alternative" for doctors. It's not exactly regarded as a cosmeceutical is it? I have every faith in it though, as I've stated numerous times on this Forum, I've been rubbing it into my nails and they are now so strong they never break or tear - so I figure it has to be good for the skin too. I also think that natural oils are far more nourishing to the skin than chemically based gluggy creams. |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:21 am |
Hey Cleo,
I'm so glad you're happy with your fillers. I had wondered how you were doing. Me? I'd follow his advice for awhile and see how your skin looks. I realize it may be a lot different from what you hear on the board but sometimes I do cringe at some of the things you hear people are doing to they're faces. See how it goes and then add in things you really liked that you were doing. Good luck! |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:34 am |
Cleocatra- I am so happy for you. Yes fillers are great aren't they. I really don't think fillers hurt that much if you are given local anesthesia first. But I had three kids with total natural childbirth with no pain meds/anything so I think I have a high pain threshold.
As far as the rolling goes, only on my face and the .15 Leaf and Rusher. I have not been using it very much since my face seems to behaving nicely with my products without redness or irritation. |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:55 am |
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Hey Cleo,
I'm so glad you're happy with your fillers. I had wondered how you were doing. Me? I'd follow his advice for awhile and see how your skin looks. I realize it may be a lot different from what you hear on the board but sometimes I do cringe at some of the things you hear people are doing to they're faces. See how it goes and then add in things you really liked that you were doing. Good luck! |
I agree with Blues....as long as you have faith in him, and thought everything through, the GO FOR IT!
The worst that can happen is that you'll be out some money if it doesn't work.
Besides...you really wanted a faster "pick me up" than things like rolling can give you, and maybe the microdermabrasion is a good way to speed things up and help you to continue to feel better about yourself. |
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Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:02 pm |
I think everyone's skin is different.
I do think seeing a professional - dermatologist, aesthetician, etc. is a good idea to get some feedback about what you are doing and if it is working / benefiting your skin (as long as they are professional and not just pushing product or services).
I know I saw a professional aesthetician twice - once was enough to get the info I needed; I choose to see her the following year for a oxygen treatment. It was also good to get positive feedback after the year and taking her suggestions and changing the focus and protocols I used on my skin. Something I did add that she didn't mention was the Clarisonic and it has made a big difference in my skin (I can tell). It was great that she noted the difference in my pores as well - especially my nose pores.
I wonder about the info about topical oils and if it's true for everyone  I have very dry skin and don't know what I would do without them! I usually put them on then a cream to help as a sealant (I have very dry skin!) And the aesthetician I saw told me at the first visit to focus on moisturizing my dry, dehydrated skin versus doing some of things I was doing like glycolic peels and mud masks which were further drying my skin.
I'll keep checking this thread to check in and see what people post.
Cleocatra, can you post what your skin concerns and skin type is so we can understand the doctor and aesthetician's recommendations in light of your issues. BTW, I think you will love the Clarisonic!  |
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Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:29 pm |
| Thanks for sharing the positive info. I really want to have PS but always being too paranoid~~ |
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Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:47 am |
In line with this topic, interesting article about injectable fillers and one of the top doctors, Dr. Frederic Brandt. (I can't imagine the budget of some of these women - like the one who flies from Switzerland to New York six times a year to see him for touch-ups!!)
Interview with the King of Collagen
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"The next client is a chic, fine-boned wife and grandmother who divides her time between a house in Palm Beach and an apartment in New York. She has been a Brandt client for two years.
'I'm seeing the ex-husband on Saturday, so we don't want bruising,' she teases Brandt, smiling through the anaesthetic. (This can be a teeth-grittingly painful procedure. Bruising can last anywhere between two days and two weeks.) Dressed in black skinny jeans, Chanel cardigan, white sneakers, her YSL bag on a nearby chair, she looks the picture of a youthful fiftysomething. She tells me she is 65. I nearly fall over." |
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Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:17 am |
To dismiss oils does not sound right to me
.. I use a variety of oils with great results. With so many carrier and EOs available a challenge is to find the ones that work for you.
On the same day I read this thread I got several complements on my skin. One came from a medical professional in a clinic where I have been doing a series of cleansing treatments. She said that my skin looks the best out of their clients (and the clients are health minded individuals, who eat right, exercise, take vitamins etc.). Maybe also I had one of the "good skin days", since skin looks better on some days then other, but for me oils have been working very well. |
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Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:02 pm |
I agree with all who don't understand the comment about the DermaRoller considering that he suggests microdermabrasion. I have had great success with the Roller and my one experience with dermabrasion was a disaster (caused broken caps).
I'd be suspicious. Also I love oils. They may cause breakouts for some but I use emu, jojoba, and coconut oils with no problem whatso ever. |
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Tue Sep 09, 2008 1:44 pm |
| mpstat wrote: |
| ...One came from a medical professional in a clinic where I have been doing a series of cleansing treatments. ... |
Clarification - cleansing in this case is digestive system cleansing. |
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