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Thu May 21, 2009 10:02 am  |
| I've read a lot of great stuff about the asian sunscreens. Are anyone using them? They supposedly have much more zinc oxide than the European and American ones. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:10 am |
| i use shishedo's sun lotin(for face,50spf) for long time and i am happy with it so far. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 11:19 am |
| In my opinion, yes, they are better. I've tried many, many American sunscreens and a variety of high-end European ones, and by far the very best sunscreen I've ever used (nothing else even comes close) is the Sofina Perfect UV Lucent. |
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48. Using 302/NCN/Skinactives products, grab-bag of facial exercises, occasional gadgets. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 11:36 am |
| I haven't used many but so far I prefer Asian sunscreen. I guess one reason is that Asian people don't want to get a tan so that the sunscreen tends to provide protection against photoaging (from uva)and sunburn (from uvb). |
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Thu May 21, 2009 1:26 pm |
| yes that is true, i am an asian studying in france, and during summer here, the french love to bake under the sun, and i always say "crazy' whenever i see that. Lol |
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Thu May 21, 2009 9:29 pm |
| fang wrote: |
| i use shishedo's sun lotin(for face,50spf) for long time and i am happy with it so far. |
I tried Shishedo sun block long time ago and didn't like it, it was too greasy and had a strong smell. I guess I will give it another try. I am always looking for "perfect" sunscreen, not greasy and without white residue. |
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Blond, blue eyes.Skin: Normal, sometimes oily, during winter very dry. Very sensitive. Occasional breakouts. Very fair. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:56 pm |
| Asian sunscreens use a "PA" rating system for UVA coverage, and from what I've learned, the maximum PA+++ is equivalent to a PPD of 8 of 10. European sunscreens have much higher PPDs, but are definitely less cosmetically elegant than their Asian counterparts. HTH! |
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Asian. Near 30. Prone to broken caps, moles + freckles, large congested pores, hormonal cystic acne, flaky skin and fat puffy eyelids. Staples: Bioderma SS, Taz, Dr. Kassy's C, Skinoren, HQ, Cerave and growth factors-- but also trying EVERYTHING ELSE..... |
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Thu May 21, 2009 10:58 pm |
| For oil skin, asian sunscreens is better.Because they have a better texture. |
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Thu May 21, 2009 11:19 pm |
| I'm not sure about the difference. But I have been using Ipsa's sunscreen for the past 4 years and I love it!! Ipsa is a brand from Japan |
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Fri May 22, 2009 12:06 am |
| I think it is great to protect UVA and UVB. But it always contains a lot of alcohol and very very hard to clean. |
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Fri May 22, 2009 12:24 am |
| Definitely, the Asian sunscreens are alot better in terms of being less greasy. Asians cared more about staying tanless whereas the North Americans love to tan and fake tan. The Asians were selling high SPF sunscreens before NA and I think they have it down pat. Alas, the same companies dont always have the same products in different countries due to regulations or marketing. |
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Fri May 22, 2009 5:32 am |
| Do any of the Asian Brands make an all natural sunscreen or do they mostly contain chemical sunscreens? |
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Fri May 22, 2009 7:46 am |
| Depends what you're looking for. I guess Asian ss are better when it comes to cosmetic elegance, but Euro ss are better protecting from signs of aging. |
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Norwegian, 28, brunette, medium/pale skintone, green eyes. Not sensitive skin, bit dry in winter, trying to figure out preventative skincare. Happy with: retin-a cream, emu, LRP Anthelios ss, Careprost. Stopped with CPs. Curious about: Bioderma ss, Renova, gadgets. |
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Sat May 23, 2009 10:30 am |
| funkydory wrote: |
| I'm not sure about the difference. But I have been using Ipsa's sunscreen for the past 4 years and I love it!! Ipsa is a brand from Japan |
What's the active ingredients? Also, is it whitening or not? I'm so damn tired of all the whitening ones;) |
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Sat May 23, 2009 1:36 pm |
| Can anyone name a few asian sunscreens that are available in US/Canada? Or on EDS? |
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Sat May 23, 2009 4:55 pm |
A PPD of 8? That's kinda wimpy, isn't it?
My Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50+/ppd 35 is cosmetically elegant and doesn't smell bad. It isn't greasy or white. I like it so much better than Sofina which just wasn't enough protection IMO. |
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Sat May 23, 2009 6:07 pm |
I prefer Asian sunscreens. I'm in Queensland Australia (sun cancer capitol of the world) but I find Australian sunscreens very greasy. The Asian ones are fabulous under makeup, they're more like a primer. I also figure that Asians are much more vigilant about sun protection so therefore their sunscreens would be perfectly adequate.
I actually love the Sofina Nuance, it has an SPF 50+ and PA+++. All sunscreens in Australia are measured by SPF, (most of them are SPF 30+), so I thought SPF 50+ would be fine. So where does the PPD of 8 come from?
I've also used other Asian sunscreens - Sunkiller and Sun Play, both have an SPF of 50+. |
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Sun May 24, 2009 7:31 am |
| Keliu wrote: |
I actually love the Sofina Nuance, it has an SPF 50+ and PA+++. All sunscreens in Australia are measured by SPF, (most of them are SPF 30+), so I thought SPF 50+ would be fine. So where does the PPD of 8 come from?
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Does that one give a whitening too? |
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Sun May 24, 2009 10:37 am |
| Ziggy wrote: |
| Depends what you're looking for. I guess Asian ss are better when it comes to cosmetic elegance, but Euro ss are better protecting from signs of aging. |
Ditto. |
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46, curly dk blonde hair, fair, blue eyes, very oily T-zone. HGs: Tazorac .05% gel; Avene/Bioderma s/s (very high spf AND ppd); Cellbone vit Cie 20%; Cellbone Hyperpeptides; IFP 5% bha/10% aha; Obagi Clear; 'curly girl' method (no poo, just co wash) for my 3b curls. |
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Sun May 24, 2009 11:13 am |
| Barksdale wrote: |
| funkydory wrote: |
| I'm not sure about the difference. But I have been using Ipsa's sunscreen for the past 4 years and I love it!! Ipsa is a brand from Japan |
What's the active ingredients? Also, is it whitening or not? I'm so damn tired of all the whitening ones;) |
How do "whitening sunscreens" work? My understanding that it's a marketing ploy to make Asians part with all their money-- I believe all sunscreens in general are "whiteneing" to a certain degree in that it prevents tanning and freckling, therefore making you less dark. Does that make sense?
| Keliu wrote: |
| So where does the PPD of 8 come from? |
Hi Keliu, I can't find the link for you right now, but I'm pretty sure I learned this piece of information from MUA, most likely on the sunscreen notepads by Beethovengirl, a wonderful member who put together most of what formed the basis of my sunscreen knowledge. I suggest you go check out the site if you have time, and you might have better luck finding the PA+++ = PPD8 trivia. Sorry coudn't be of more help! |
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Asian. Near 30. Prone to broken caps, moles + freckles, large congested pores, hormonal cystic acne, flaky skin and fat puffy eyelids. Staples: Bioderma SS, Taz, Dr. Kassy's C, Skinoren, HQ, Cerave and growth factors-- but also trying EVERYTHING ELSE..... |
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Sun May 24, 2009 1:30 pm |
| fat_swan wrote: |
| Asian sunscreens use a "PA" rating system for UVA coverage, and from what I've learned, the maximum PA+++ is equivalent to a PPD of 8 of 10. European sunscreens have much higher PPDs, but are definitely less cosmetically elegant than their Asian counterparts. HTH! |
According to "Sunscreens" notepad at MUA, PA+++ seems equivalent to PPD 8-10, so definitely not beach-worthy. The high SPF will prevent you from seeing the UVB damage of a burn, but what about the UVA damage?
http://www.makeupalley.com/account/vn.asp?u=sunscreens#asia |
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Sun May 24, 2009 5:01 pm |
| fawnie wrote: |
| fat_swan wrote: |
| Asian sunscreens use a "PA" rating system for UVA coverage, and from what I've learned, the maximum PA+++ is equivalent to a PPD of 8 of 10. European sunscreens have much higher PPDs, but are definitely less cosmetically elegant than their Asian counterparts. HTH! |
According to "Sunscreens" notepad at MUA, PA+++ seems equivalent to PPD 8-10, so definitely not beach-worthy. The high SPF will prevent you from seeing the UVB damage of a burn, but what about the UVA damage?
http://www.makeupalley.com/account/vn.asp?u=sunscreens#asia |
As far as I am aware, Australian sunscreens only state SPF so where does that leave us. In addition, according to the above site the Cancer Council Everyday Plus SPF 30+ is estimated PPD 6-10 so that would be the same as Sofina. If you can't trust a sunscreen that is promoted by the Cancer Council, what can you trust? It's all very confusing.
Edited to add: I only use Sofina on my face. If I'm going to the beach, I use a cheaper broad spectrum sunscreen on my body. |
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Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sun May 24, 2009 5:47 pm |
European sunscreens are definitely cutting edge as UVA protection. I use them exclusively now in the sunshiney months (all three of them!!) in Seattle and whenever I'm abroad in lower latitudes.
I haven't yet tried the Bioderma--I've been using the Avene tinosorb emulsion sunscreen. Fawnie, if you check in here, is it scented? That's the one annoyance I have with a lot of European skincare and makeup products--way too much cloying perfume! |
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Sun May 24, 2009 9:24 pm |
| not sure, it depends on what skin type you belong to,i think |
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Mon May 25, 2009 4:35 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
A PPD of 8? That's kinda wimpy, isn't it?
My Bioderma Photoderm MAX fluide spf50+/ppd 35 is cosmetically elegant and doesn't smell bad. It isn't greasy or white. I like it so much better than Sofina which just wasn't enough protection IMO. |
Where can I get Bioderma, Thanks
Lou |
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