Dry flaky skin on cheeks with fine lines?
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free skin care · Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:59 pm

It seems like I all of a sudden developed this on my cheeks. I used some of acids previously so not sure if that's the reason why? I used Mandelic Acid and Salicyclic Acid on them seperately for awhile. I then got flaky skin all over so I stopped. Now it seems like my cheeks are flaky and dry. They are dehydrated and when I look closely or smile, I see some very fine lines like they're crinkly...It's not supple Sad

I tried creams and stuff and they only help slightly but after I washed my face, they're the same.

I just ordered Eminence Organic Stone Crop serum and cream as well as the Sugar Plum Oil Free Revitilizer to try. Last night was my first night. The Stone Crop serum and cream seem alright hydrating but I can still see the crinkly fine lines if I smile or look up close Crying or Very sad

They look like dehydrated skin to me rather than wrinkles. I take Omega 3 on a daily basis and drink 1-1.5L of water a day. So I'm not sure what is missing. Oh and I wear Everyday MMU and no matter what kinda powder, it always pull moisture out somehow. I'm wondering if there's another internal supplement that can help. I seem to feel thirsty and dry all the time no matter how much water I drink. Thanks. Smile

free skin care · Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:15 pm

My skin can get dry & flaky if I use acids too often. Have you tried oils along with your moisturizer like hemp or avocado?

Another thing, have you had your blood sugar checked recently? (Just wondering why you might be thirsty all the time, sometimes that can be an indication of diabetes.}

Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:24 pm

Hi Stardustdy,
Your question caught my eye, I was going through the same thing for quite awhile. I'm a lot older than you, but what helped me was using a 10% lactic acid every 3 days then I started using it less often about every 10 days. I would only leave the Lactic acid on for 90 seconds then rinse it off. Also after using the 10% lactic acid I use emu oil on damp skin and lightly massage it in. I also use copper peptides diluted once a day. My cheeks are so much better now they use to feel dry and crusty and like you said I could see fine dry lines. It was awful, I also started taking Silica, it's suppose to be good for hair skin nails and bones.

I think Salicyclic acid can be drying, but 10% lactic acid is better for dry sensitive skin.

Hope that helps. Emu oil or Squlane is also great and I couldn't live with out them. I use a lot of both for my dry skin. Smile

free skin care · Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:22 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

It seems like I all of a sudden developed this on my cheeks. I used some of acids previously so not sure if that's the reason why? I used Mandelic Acid and Salicyclic Acid on them seperately for awhile. I then got flaky skin all over so I stopped. Now it seems like my cheeks are flaky and dry. They are dehydrated and when I look closely or smile, I see some very fine lines like they're crinkly...It's not supple Sad

I tried creams and stuff and they only help slightly but after I washed my face, they're the same.

I just ordered Eminence Organic Stone Crop serum and cream as well as the Sugar Plum Oil Free Revitilizer to try. Last night was my first night. The Stone Crop serum and cream seem alright hydrating but I can still see the crinkly fine lines if I smile or look up close Crying or Very sad

They look like dehydrated skin to me rather than wrinkles. I take Omega 3 on a daily basis and drink 1-1.5L of water a day. So I'm not sure what is missing. Oh and I wear Everyday MMU and no matter what kinda powder, it always pull moisture out somehow. I'm wondering if there's another internal supplement that can help. I seem to feel thirsty and dry all the time no matter how much water I drink. Thanks. Smile

hey there,
i think you can google it. i read somewhere that water intake per day for an adult is 4 liters of water. though this is difficult to do, i try to drink at least 3 liters of water per day, alternating with distilled and spring water. i find that when i drink 4 liters of water per day that my skin is more hydrated, my lips never chap regardless of weather conditions, i not bloated/retaining water, my digestion is better, my weight easier to keep down, and it regulates my appetite better(feel less hungry and can better differentiate whether i'm hungry of just bored).

i also have dry skin and patches that were problematic. i've had bad experiences with organic and natural products, including eminence, if you decide to go out of the natural organic range, i really recommend the valmont dna repair serum or the dermatosic serum. they are doing wonders for me.

i heard alot of women having problems after using harsh acids... dry skin and more wrinkles. perhaps this is with over use?

anyways, all the best to you and hope you recover your skin soon! Very Happy

free skin care · Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:11 am

Maybe you need to use a more moisturizing face cream.
You can try the essence - lotion - cream, and so stacked rub

free skin care · Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:09 am

What about jojoba, castor and avocado? I have those.

Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:39 pm

It also has a lot to do with the amount of humidity in the air. I know my skin looks the best when it's raining. My mineral makeup looks nicer too. Indoor heat is very drying.

free skin care · Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:00 pm

My skin was almost ruined (and aged by 10 years) by the over-enthusiastic use of AHA and mild acid peels of my EX-dermatologist.

I've managed to turn it around and can recommend hempseed oil for any sort of dry, flaky skin. It absorbs really well with none of that oilness that some oils leave.

Trying reading through some of this thread...

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=34098

You only need to read the first page and maybe a couple of the last pages.
It also works wonders on skin irritated by Retin-A.

free skin care · Sat Jan 23, 2010 2:50 pm

I've had really good results with Squalane. My skin now feels less Sahara and more Amazon lol.

The fine dehydraton lines have softened and my skin just feels/looks healthier.

free skin care · Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:07 pm

Thanks for the replies! I'm relieved to say that the dryness flaking and fine lines are pretty much gone from my cheeks. I guess what happened is cuz I overused on the acids. After the skin peels off, it reveals fresh clean skin Very Happy

Also, I've been moisturizing with Eminence Organics Stone Crop Serum and moisturizer. They're the best combo! It makes my skin soft and hydrated. I just hope I dont break out from it later Confused

But I'll definitely look into the Hempseed oil. Thanks! Smile

free skin care · Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:26 am

this is interesting to learn.

i used to think AHA is good for dry skin and help moisture the skin.

free skin care · Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:28 am

hellenzqq wrote:

this is interesting to learn.

i used to think AHA is good for dry skin and help moisture the skin.

My ex-dermatologist explained to me that the aim of younger-looking healthy skin is to thin the epidermis and thicken the dermis. She did this with AHA night cream and mild-glycolic peels. During this treatment period of 4 months, my skin glowed, was clear and no dry patches. But although the AHA and peels did thin my epidermis, they did nothing to thicken the dermis. In the space of 4 months I aged by 10 years (not just my point of view, it was noticed by friends and relatives; even my husband who never notices anything, begged me to stop). The AHA didn't dry my skin as such, but stripping away my epidermis revealed fine lines and made my skin look papery.
I've managed to turn it around after learning so much on EDS and while I'm not against my own very occasional use of a good AHA cream now that I have my 'thick' skin back to keep my pores clean, I do believe regular use is not for everyone.

free skin care · Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:21 pm

This is Miranda wrote:

hellenzqq wrote:

this is interesting to learn.

i used to think AHA is good for dry skin and help moisture the skin.

My ex-dermatologist explained to me that the aim of younger-looking healthy skin is to thin the epidermis and thicken the dermis. She did this with AHA night cream and mild-glycolic peels. During this treatment period of 4 months, my skin glowed, was clear and no dry patches. But although the AHA and peels did thin my epidermis, they did nothing to thicken the dermis. In the space of 4 months I aged by 10 years (not just my point of view, it was noticed by friends and relatives; even my husband who never notices anything, begged me to stop). The AHA didn't dry my skin as such, but stripping away my epidermis revealed fine lines and made my skin look papery.
I've managed to turn it around after learning so much on EDS and while I'm not against my own very occasional use of a good AHA cream now that I have my 'thick' skin back to keep my pores clean, I do believe regular use is not for everyone.

Hi Miranda, hhm from reading this, I'm kinda scared now. I found that the AHA/BHA peels the surface of my skin off revealing the fresh new layer. But I do notice if I look very closely at my face, there're some very very fine facial lines... I don't know how to explain it, it's not like wrinkles or fine lines but more like some line patterns...hhm Not sure if you understand.

So Miranda, my question is, if I use AHA/BHA like once or twice weekly, would that be fine? I don't apply it to entire face now, only certain areas where I tend to break out easily. And the strength is not too strong, only around 2-5%.

Also, what do you think of Glunolactone(sp?). It's said to be very gentle without the irritation and serious peeling.

Thanks for answering my questions! Smile

free skin care · Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:24 pm

Glad your problem is resolved, Stardusty.Also glad to hear about the stone crop products from Eminence.

I also have to resolve to drink more water, ilina...was thinking about it this morning..so glad to read it here again, as it inspires me to do so.

I drink a herbal infusion called marshmallow root. It's one of only a few herbs that can really moisturize our internal/external system...(many are diuretic, hence drying which of course, shows in our skin)..although it is also 'cooling' to the body so may not be right for some people. I buy it from Mountainrose herbs and use about 1/2-1 cup in a ball jar and add a quart of water and let steep from 4-8 hours . it's very mucilage-y so may not be to everyone's taste... but it can be diluted by adding to juices, smoothies (it is ideally taken at room temp...not heated up) Anyway, it does help me with my dry skin, and i really notice the diff when i am not drinking it. (it's also very soothing for the digestive system)

free skin care · Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:08 am

Stardustdy wrote:

This is Miranda wrote:

My ex-dermatologist explained to me that the aim of younger-looking healthy skin is to thin the epidermis and thicken the dermis. She did this with AHA night cream and mild-glycolic peels. During this treatment period of 4 months, my skin glowed, was clear and no dry patches. But although the AHA and peels did thin my epidermis, they did nothing to thicken the dermis. In the space of 4 months I aged by 10 years (not just my point of view, it was noticed by friends and relatives; even my husband who never notices anything, begged me to stop). The AHA didn't dry my skin as such, but stripping away my epidermis revealed fine lines and made my skin look papery.
I've managed to turn it around after learning so much on EDS and while I'm not against my own very occasional use of a good AHA cream now that I have my 'thick' skin back to keep my pores clean, I do believe regular use is not for everyone.

Hi Miranda, hhm from reading this, I'm kinda scared now. I found that the AHA/BHA peels the surface of my skin off revealing the fresh new layer. But I do notice if I look very closely at my face, there're some very very fine facial lines... I don't know how to explain it, it's not like wrinkles or fine lines but more like some line patterns...hhm Not sure if you understand.

So Miranda, my question is, if I use AHA/BHA like once or twice weekly, would that be fine? I don't apply it to entire face now, only certain areas where I tend to break out easily. And the strength is not too strong, only around 2-5%.

Also, what do you think of Glunolactone(sp?). It's said to be very gentle without the irritation and serious peeling.

Thanks for answering my questions! Smile

Sorry I don't mean to scare anyone - like I said, I have returned to my pre AHA-stripped skin so the damage wasn't irreversible (just two lines left that are slowly going).

I think I understand what you're describing Stardustdy - does your skin just look sort of papery? I can't tell you if you're doing too much or if it's ok, it sounds like a good idea to only concentrate on areas you get breakouts. However if those areas are looking papery, then you have to ask the question - which is worse; spots or older-looking skin? I loved my clear, glowy skin during the regime but hated the way it looked thinner and therefore older.
I have no idea what Glunolactone is!! You can tell me more about that!!

Maybe you should continue with your AHA on spot-prone areas but invest in a vaculifter? Although I began many things at once (as you do when you join EDS Rolling Eyes

) I think this little cheap gadget which I use with hempseed oil was the main thing that got my skin going again (with dermarolling a close second and vit C & MSM supps at 3rd).

free skin care · Thu Jan 28, 2010 2:14 am

jasminerosey wrote:

Glad your problem is resolved, Stardusty.Also glad to hear about the stone crop products from Eminence.

I also have to resolve to drink more water, ilina...was thinking about it this morning..so glad to read it here again, as it inspires me to do so.

I drink a herbal infusion called marshmallow root. It's one of only a few herbs that can really moisturize our internal/external system...(many are diuretic, hence drying which of course, shows in our skin)..although it is also 'cooling' to the body so may not be right for some people. I buy it from Mountainrose herbs and use about 1/2-1 cup in a ball jar and add a quart of water and let steep from 4-8 hours . it's very mucilage-y so may not be to everyone's taste... but it can be diluted by adding to juices, smoothies (it is ideally taken at room temp...not heated up) Anyway, it does help me with my dry skin, and i really notice the diff when i am not drinking it. (it's also very soothing for the digestive system)

Jasminerosey, what do you mean by

Quote:

although it is also 'cooling' to the body so may not be right for some people

free skin care · Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:40 am

Stardustdy wrote:

This is Miranda wrote:

hellenzqq wrote:

this is interesting to learn.

i used to think AHA is good for dry skin and help moisture the skin.

My ex-dermatologist explained to me that the aim of younger-looking healthy skin is to thin the epidermis and thicken the dermis. She did this with AHA night cream and mild-glycolic peels. During this treatment period of 4 months, my skin glowed, was clear and no dry patches. But although the AHA and peels did thin my epidermis, they did nothing to thicken the dermis. In the space of 4 months I aged by 10 years (not just my point of view, it was noticed by friends and relatives; even my husband who never notices anything, begged me to stop). The AHA didn't dry my skin as such, but stripping away my epidermis revealed fine lines and made my skin look papery.
I've managed to turn it around after learning so much on EDS and while I'm not against my own very occasional use of a good AHA cream now that I have my 'thick' skin back to keep my pores clean, I do believe regular use is not for everyone.

Hi Miranda, hhm from reading this, I'm kinda scared now. I found that the AHA/BHA peels the surface of my skin off revealing the fresh new layer. But I do notice if I look very closely at my face, there're some very very fine facial lines... I don't know how to explain it, it's not like wrinkles or fine lines but more like some line patterns...hhm Not sure if you understand.

So Miranda, my question is, if I use AHA/BHA like once or twice weekly, would that be fine? I don't apply it to entire face now, only certain areas where I tend to break out easily. And the strength is not too strong, only around 2-5%.

Also, what do you think of Glunolactone(sp?). It's said to be very gentle without the irritation and serious peeling.

Thanks for answering my questions! Smile

i understand what you mean, i think i have the exactly same problem here, and I thought it was because my skin is dry, and that was why I put myself on obagi based on the idea that it will improve the moisture level in the skin. but well, it does not work so far.

when i am not smiling, i have nice skin. but it is just when i begin to smile, there are very very small lines all over my face. i even went to see a doctor for that, but she told me she could not see any.......but i know they are there and it bothers me.......

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:59 pm

Stardustdy wrote:

Hi Miranda, hhm from reading this, I'm kinda scared now. I found that the AHA/BHA peels the surface of my skin off revealing the fresh new layer. But I do notice if I look very closely at my face, there're some very very fine facial lines... I don't know how to explain it, it's not like wrinkles or fine lines but more like some line patterns...hhm Not sure if you understand.

So Miranda, my question is, if I use AHA/BHA like once or twice weekly, would that be fine? I don't apply it to entire face now, only certain areas where I tend to break out easily. And the strength is not too strong, only around 2-5%.

Also, what do you think of Glunolactone(sp?). It's said to be very gentle without the irritation and serious peeling.

Thanks for answering my questions! Smile

Hi Stardustdy
Just reading my moisturizer contents and what do I find?
It's gluconolactone! I've been using this for months!
This is the description on the back:
High strength exfoliating cream. Formulated with gluconolactone, a polyhydroxy acid (PHA) and vitamin E to provide long lasting moisturization, antioxidant and skin smoothing benefits.

I have to say, it certainly does what it says. It doesn't feel like it's exfoliating and there's no sting but it does give day-long moisturization without feeling heavy when it goes on. I love it and it's a reasonably priced (although I have to admit, this is something my horrid derma. doc recommended for me - at least she got something right).
So to return to your original question; yes, I would recommend gluconolactone! It's gentle and completely without peeling effects.

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:47 pm

This is Miranda wrote:

Stardustdy wrote:

Hi Miranda, hhm from reading this, I'm kinda scared now. I found that the AHA/BHA peels the surface of my skin off revealing the fresh new layer. But I do notice if I look very closely at my face, there're some very very fine facial lines... I don't know how to explain it, it's not like wrinkles or fine lines but more like some line patterns...hhm Not sure if you understand.

So Miranda, my question is, if I use AHA/BHA like once or twice weekly, would that be fine? I don't apply it to entire face now, only certain areas where I tend to break out easily. And the strength is not too strong, only around 2-5%.

Also, what do you think of Glunolactone(sp?). It's said to be very gentle without the irritation and serious peeling.

Thanks for answering my questions! Smile

Hi Stardustdy
Just reading my moisturizer contents and what do I find?
It's gluconolactone! I've been using this for months!
This is the description on the back:
High strength exfoliating cream. Formulated with gluconolactone, a polyhydroxy acid (PHA) and vitamin E to provide long lasting moisturization, antioxidant and skin smoothing benefits.

I have to say, it certainly does what it says. It doesn't feel like it's exfoliating and there's no sting but it does give day-long moisturization without feeling heavy when it goes on. I love it and it's a reasonably priced (although I have to admit, this is something my horrid derma. doc recommended for me - at least she got something right).
So to return to your original question; yes, I would recommend gluconolactone! It's gentle and completely without peeling effects.

Miranda, what's the brand of the moisturizer with Gluconolactone you using right now? I'm wondering...since it's so gentle, is it effective in getting rid of very fine lines and pores? Confused

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:05 pm

Duh! Sorry forgot to say....

NeoStrata Bio Hydrating cream (15 PHA).

It comes in a 40g tube which lasts ages. I am having a good run on the pore front - I thought this was down to my dry-brushing but could be the cream.

free skin care · Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:19 pm

Thanks Miranda! So there's 15% PHA if I'm correct cuz u said 15PHA? hhm sounds interesting... I might have to look into it then Smile

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