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Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:05 pm  |
Hi, this is my first post on this amazing forum!
I actually can't believe it has taken me this long to find this place, what a goldmine of information experience and expertise.
I would like to pick your brains if I may and get some product recommendations......
I'm 34, to my skin's detriment was a smoker for 17 years (eeek), but to it's advantage have used sunscreen since I was about 20. I guess that means I might just be even hehe.
My skin is thankfully pretty good, and no one has yet aged me over 27 so I'm pretty happy. However I imagine like you, I know every inch of my face, and am aware that the signs of aging are creeping in 
I have used Dermalogica for years now, and am pretty happy with it overall, but I want to make a few tweaks.
I am on the lips2kiss system aswell, as I had a few fine lines forming from the smoking. I think it's been great for these, but I'm not really sure it's actually done anything for my lips other than keep them nicely moisturised.
Has anyone had equal sucess with anything that doesn't take quite so many products all for the one area?
The other products I'm after are,
1. A great night cream,
2. Day creams with SPF30
3. What will be the best attack on the fine lines forming under my eyes.
4. Daytime sun protection for eyes
I have I would say combination skin, I can break out hormonally which is why Dermalogica has been so good for me, I can also though get quite dry at times.
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:05 pm |
Since you have been using sunscreen from 20 years of age, your chances of undoing damage and having flawless skin is greater. You would only need to include 3 major products into your regimen, they are: Retin-A, Vitamin C Serum, and a good moisturizer.
The Retin-A will exfoliate all the years of built up dead skin cells and rid you of the damaged epidermis from the smoking revealing fresh new skin with new skin cells. You can start off with 0.025% cream or gel (gel for oily skin), you can get it from your doctor or alldaychemist; apply a flat dime sized amount to the whole face 30 minutes after washing at night and apply a thin coat of moisturizer 30 minutes after applying Retin-A.
During the day, you would benefit from the antioxidant and skin strengthening properties of Vitamin C (L-Ascorbic Acid) 15% serum. You can make it yourself from the recipe on here or purchase it from ebay (just make sure its the L-Ascorbic Acid kind)
Always be sure to apply sunscreen over your product during the AM. Make sure the sunscreen has a high spf and PPD rating and contains Mexoryl SX, Mexoryl XL, Tinosorb, or Helioplex. |
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Thu Feb 11, 2010 6:17 pm |
| LightenNlift wrote: |
Since you have been using sunscreen from 20 years of age, your chances of undoing damage and having flawless skin is greater. You would only need to include 3 major products into your regimen, they are: Retin-A, Vitamin C Serum, and a good moisturizer.
The Retin-A will exfoliate all the years of built up dead skin cells and rid you of the damaged epidermis from the smoking revealing fresh new skin with new skin cells. You can start off with 0.025% cream or gel (gel for oily skin), you can get it from your doctor or alldaychemist; apply a flat dime sized amount to the whole face 30 minutes after washing at night and apply a thin coat of moisturizer 30 minutes after applying Retin-A.
During the day, you would benefit from the antioxidant and skin strengthening properties of Vitamin C (L-Ascorbic Acid) 15% serum. You can make it yourself from the recipe on here or purchase it from ebay (just make sure its the L-Ascorbic Acid kind)
Always be sure to apply sunscreen over your product during the AM. Make sure the sunscreen has a high spf and PPD rating and contains Mexoryl SX, Mexoryl XL, Tinosorb, or Helioplex. |
Agree with everything up until the sunscreen (and not everyone needs a moisturizer after tretinoin). The sunscreen is a definite trial and error. I cannot use the mexoryl sunscreens without tanning right through them (and hence freckling), but I have no problem with physical sunscreens providing adequate coverage. |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:10 am |
Riley... m..I did read a couple of journal articles where they state that Zinc and Titanium provide uniform protection across all UYA/UVB wavelengths as opposed to chemical sunscreen agents such as the Mexoryls which have peak wavelengths. However, personally, I dont tan or burn with Mexoryls (Bioderma/Garnier Ambre Solaire) but I do tan with zinc and it drys out my skin, although its good for some occasional pimples. Which sunscreen do you use? Do you know of a good zinc based one without the white cast? |
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Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:10 am |
| LightenNlift wrote: |
| Riley...m..I did read a couple of journal articles where they state that Zinc and Titanium provide uniform protection across all UYA/UVB wavelengths as opposed to chemical sunscreen agents such as the Mexoryls which have peak wavelengths. However, personally, I dont tan or burn with Mexoryls (Bioderma/Garnier Ambre Solaire) but I do tan with zinc and it drys out my skin, although its good for some occasional pimples. Which sunscreen do you use? Do you know of a good zinc based one without the white cast? |
Unfortunately, all the good ones seem to have that white cast!! I am using up my 302 sunscreen, which is tinted, and then I use the 302 recovery minerals on top (only when I will be out in the sun for long periods of time). I have been using only those 2 products for sunscreen since March of last year and I have to say that I haven't had any new pigmentation come up on my face. Unfortunately, sunscreen is one of those really tricky products that you have to play around with so many before finding one that works! I think if you have found something that works, stick with it. I just wanted to point out to the OP that it is probably going to be a trial and error on their sunscreen! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:14 pm |
Thank you for your replies, I've been reading the vit C recipe thread for ideas!
I do use the Dermalogica firming serum too, does this count as it has vit C in it?
Also, does anyone know of a really good day eye cream with a SPF30? I don't like to put my moisturiser actually on my eyes, but don't want them getting less protection.
I'm also investigating the reti A. I think this site is going to be my new * spam alert *! |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:25 pm |
| Caris wrote: |
I do use the Dermalogica firming serum too, does this count as it has vit C in it?
I'm also investigating the reti A. I think this site is going to be my new * spam alert *! |
It may, Caris, it really depends on where the C is in the product (the % of C), and what type of C. L-ascorbic is the form you really want to try to use for best results, if it is not irritating to your skin.
Have fun on the site and lock your credit cards away!  |
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Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:38 pm |
Ah thank you, these are the ingredients as listed
Ingredients: Citrus Aurantium Amara (Bitter Orange) Flower Extract, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Palmitol Pentapeptide-3, Extracts Of: Macrocystis Pyrifera, Yeast, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower, Equisetum Hiemale; Glycolipids, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Hydrolyzed Corallina Officinalis, Sodium Hyaluronate, Cananga Odorata Flower Oil, Glycerin, Lecithin, PVP, Carbomer, Polysorbate 20, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Caster Oil, Butylene Glycol, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Tetrasodium EDTA, Aminomethyl Propanol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben
I do like the product, it more whether to look elsewhere when I run out.
You're right about the credit cards rileygirl, I've only been here a couple of days, and already have a worryingly large list growing! |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:34 pm |
| Caris wrote: |
Ah thank you, these are the ingredients as listed
Ingredients: Citrus Aurantium Amara (Bitter Orange) Flower Extract, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein/PVP Crosspolymer, Palmitol Pentapeptide-3, Extracts Of: Macrocystis Pyrifera, Yeast, Trifolium Pratense (Clover) Flower, Equisetum Hiemale; Glycolipids, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Hydrolyzed Corallina Officinalis, Sodium Hyaluronate, Cananga Odorata Flower Oil, Glycerin, Lecithin, PVP, Carbomer, Polysorbate 20, PEG-40 Hydrogenated Caster Oil, Butylene Glycol, Acrylates/C10-30 Alkyl Acrylate Crosspolymer, Tetrasodium EDTA, Aminomethyl Propanol, Phenoxyethanol, Methylparaben
I do like the product, it more whether to look elsewhere when I run out.
You're right about the credit cards rileygirl, I've only been here a couple of days, and already have a worryingly large list growing! |
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~This is just the tip of the iceberg |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:23 pm |
Tip of the iceberg indeed!!
I have found myself wondering if the anecdotal variability in sunscreen effectiveness is a function of our variations in how much we apply. For years I assumed that I was using the recommended quarter teaspoon on my face, but as it turns out I wasn't. When I actually measured, I was using less than half that amount!! I think particularly physical sunscreens might often be used in lesser amounts to avoid the dreaded "white cast."
Rileygirl is absolutely right that sunscreen is probably the most trial-and-error part of skincare. I personally loved the consistency of the NIA24 sunscreen but it didn't love me back--I got a measles-like rash all over my face from it. After much experimenting, I have settled on tinosorb based sunscreens--I can use enough of them to be effective and I haven't had pigmentation problems while using them. But this is clearly a classic YMMV area. |
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Late 50's, fair warm-toned skin, dryish except in T zone; regular user of CSRx Vitamin C, Avene Diacneal, Avene tinosorb sunscreen, Pro Light LED, and experiments on and off with many products. |
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