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Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:18 pm  |
Have you found this to be true? I mean no matter what type of foundation or concealer I use the wrinkles around my eyes look worse WITH the makeup, even the supposed 'age defying' type foundations. It seems to accentuate the crepey skin and dry it out. Then whatever foundation I'm using it collects in the frown lines on my forehead and makes them stand out much worse.
Is it me or is it all crap?  |
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Sat Oct 18, 2008 7:39 pm |
| Sorry! I'm just frustrated! |
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Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:14 pm |
I put PSF Cranberry Eye Gel on first, wait for it to sink it, then "OSEA Eyes and Lips cream, then concealer and it seems to lessen the appearance of wrinkles when the makeup goes on.
The PSF smooths things out kind of deeper, then the OSEA is further smoothing. Another cream might help, but I like the OSEA because it is very smooth and quite matte. It works for me. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 7:52 am |
I know what you mean. It's not only you and you're not imagining it! 
I find the best thing is to make sure you keep your skin as smooth as possible with regular exfoliation, and to ensure that you moisturise adequately, especially before applying makeup.
Heavy make-up tends to be the worst culprit. I found that mineral make-up and heavy/drying concealers are a definite no-no.
The best foundation I've come across for this, that doesn't settle in lines, is SK-II Airtouch spray foundation. Also, if you can, try to avoid putting concealer where there are lines under your eyes. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:22 am |
| sahmisme wrote: |
Have you found this to be true? I mean no matter what type of foundation or concealer I use the wrinkles around my eyes look worse WITH the makeup, even the supposed 'age defying' type foundations. It seems to accentuate the crepey skin and dry it out. Then whatever foundation I'm using it collects in the frown lines on my forehead and makes them stand out much worse.
Is it me or is it all crap? |
Its not you. I found this out too actually around the age of 40. SO I ditched it altogether and wear concealer ONLY where I need it. Looks better now. Sometimes less is more. Using the Elizabeth Grant serums really help too. Makes your face look moist looking. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:57 am |
| Have you tried using a primer first before your foundation? |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:58 am |
| I like using foundation all over because it evens out my skin tone. I now use MMU and only a light layer and I avoid the area under my eyes. But I agree that you also have to keep that area very well moisturized. No matter which eye or face cream I am using at the moment, every night I always put a thick layer on top of Olay Regenerist Serum on the areas that lines are known to appear, sepecially the area around the eye. I've been doing this for 10 years and really have no lines to speak of and I'm almost 37. I love this serum and every morning when I wake up my face looks refreshed and moisturized. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:42 am |
| Just to chime in, no it isn't you, it's all of us! I find that, with respect to lines around the eyes, less is more! I use the lightest amount of concealer and foundation possible here, moisturizing first and then using a skunk brush to get a really sheer application. Also, I have found that when using a setting powder after foundation, the powder tends to find its way into lines. So I skip that except for a light dusting on the nose and chin area. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:11 pm |
Using a good moisturizer/primer under makeup may make things better?  |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:51 pm |
Isn't it frustrating? Well I use heavy moisturizer around my eyes (Olay) but I have this dark skin under my eyes so I've been trying to conceal that. Not just dark circles, but the actual color of my skin has darkened under there.
So I either have crepey skin under there, or dark skin, lol. Oh well!
So thank you for the product ideas. I have not used a primer, just moisturizer (oil free on my face and much heavier around my eyes)
I suppose I'll stop using concealer under my eyes and just deal with the darkness. I'll check out the eye serums and gels.
Thanks again! |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:05 pm |
Another thing you might try is to mix foundation with lotion. I don't know whether that works for wrinkles but my fine lines would appear improved if I apply my foundation this way.  |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:19 pm |
iv found this tooo......rather than siting on top of the skin.....they seem to get into the lines and make them stand out more  is the trick in the ingrediant list? im sure i read somewhere certain formulations make the lines less stand out because they are not filling into these lines........i even find this with eye shadows lol in the end i end up rubbing them off......that actually makes me look less lined when i have nothing on  |
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age 33 .. skin dry with odd breakout now and then. skin color best i can describe is golden brown..tans easily |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:26 pm |
| I think silicone base can fix this problem. |
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Sun Oct 19, 2008 11:53 pm |
im not sure but i have read a number of times on this forum about people wanting to avoid silicones.....i have no idea why though? is it dangerous health wise? can someone please fill me in.
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age 33 .. skin dry with odd breakout now and then. skin color best i can describe is golden brown..tans easily |
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:53 am |
| sahmisme wrote: |
Isn't it frustrating? Well I use heavy moisturizer around my eyes (Olay) but I have this dark skin under my eyes so I've been trying to conceal that. Not just dark circles, but the actual color of my skin has darkened under there.
So I either have crepey skin under there, or dark skin, lol. Oh well!
So thank you for the product ideas. I have not used a primer, just moisturizer (oil free on my face and much heavier around my eyes)
I suppose I'll stop using concealer under my eyes and just deal with the darkness. I'll check out the eye serums and gels.
Thanks again! |
I have exactly the same problem with dark circles and fine lines under my eyes - it is a difficult dilemma! 
What I've found works best for me is, as I said before, to keep the area nicely hydrated, but also to apply Make-Up Forever concealer in a tube on the dark areas only. These usually tend to be in the inner corners of the eyes and also along the lower eye socket. Normally, the fine lines are higher up, right under the eye itself, so you can carefully apply the concealer and lightly dab to blend it in but avoid the actual fine lines to a great extent. That way, my dark circles are diminished, whilst my lines are not accentuated.
Hope this helps a little. |
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:40 am |
On silicone: I think some people find that it makes them break out. Others use silicones without those issues.
Some prefer more "natural" products in general, and silicone is a no-no for them.
I couldn't find anything on Pubmed indicating any overall health concerns with silicones and external cosmetic application--silicone in breast implants is a more controversial matter.
Bottom line: No evidence of serious health issues, but breakouts can be a problem for some though not others. Hope this helps. |
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:17 am |
I have perennially dry skin, and my undereye area is in addition very sensitive and often gets irritated by concealers. Add to that thin skin, and you get the picture.
What I can recommend, are the following concealers, but used in moderation. Helena Rubinstein Magic Concealer (highly pigmented, yet light), and the undereye concealer in pen form by Chanel; I believe it's called Eclat Lumičre, and all the hyped highlighter pens (YSL, Dior) don't hold a candle to this little gem. But I'm still looking for the ultimate eye cream... |
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:45 am |
Thanks again!
These products that fill and seal the wrinkles, have they been known to make them worse in the long run? I've read about these 'fillers' that bond to the skin and supposedly pull it together to create a smoother look. It seems to me that it's not a good idea if it's stretching the skin.
As far as the darkness, it's not dark circles caused by the blood vessels, etc. This is a strip of darkened, rough skin right under my lower lashes. I'm assuming it's sun damage, but I don't know. It drives me nuts though.  |
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36 year old mother of 2, oily skin, prone to break outs, wrinkles around the eyes, forehead wrinkles and laugh lines |
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Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:14 pm |
Hi sahmisme, it does sound like patches of sun damage. What works for me is vit C+E+ferulic serum and retinol to remodel the skin. It takes time, so if you are very impatient, you might want to treat yourself to a dermatologist appt for a quick fix - laser, dermabrasion, whatever.
Everybody has her favorite concealer, but what I like for the crepey skin underneath is MATIS eyes & lips treatment mask extreme comfort. I apply a thin layer under makeup/concealer and reapply all day long to keep the dreaded lines away. I have a tube in my purse, and one at home. It works on lips and the upper lip lines too. Also can be used as a mask for more intense moisturizing. It's around $48 for a 0.68fl oz/20 ml tube, so it's pricey, but worth it.
Another trick I learned is to draw a line with your concealer from the outer corner of your nose to the outer corner of your eye, on a slant. Then blend the concealer well up & in toward your inner eye corner. Blend the concealer well out also. This fills in the sunken area between the nose and the eye and lifts the area. Make sure your concealer isn't too light or you will end up looking like the reverse raccoon, which just makes you look tired.
HTH! =) |
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Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:26 am |
| I have very dry skin - plus rosacea - particularly the very annoying ocular rosacea. I never apply foundation or concealer directly under my eyes as it does accentuate wrinkles and causes irritation - especially these days when it is so difficult to find a product without the dreaded combined SPF (I need to use a stand-alone SPF and never under my eyes). I apply my foundation to just under my eye bags and use concealer only in the hollows between my deep-set, insomniatic eyes. If my occular rosacea is really bad I might apply just a touch of my concealer (I use Cle de Peau) just under bag of eye. (Note Cle de Peau concealer has JUST been reformulated so I may not be able to use it any more). Re anti-aging foundations. These foundations tend to age my 58 year old skin - someone pulling the skin and accentuating wrinkles - also anything anti-aging causes irritation to my skin. I need a liquid cream foundation - such as Sisley Transmat, La Prairie Caviar or Cle de Peau Satin formula. Liquid foundations disappear in a minute and itch. I am a VPPP with severe yellow undertones and very acidic so colour becomes a problem as well. Remember that what goes under your eyes must come off so I try to do as little as possible to aggravate that area. |
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Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:26 am |
| Primer is a good idea. I find too greasy or heavy products accentuate wrinkles. I don't use liquid foundation for that reason. Mineral makeup, lightly applied does the trick. Everyone has a few wrinkles. If we didn't we'd look like those creepy Hollywood, botox faces. |
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Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:28 am |
| fawnie wrote: |
Hi sahmisme, it does sound like patches of sun damage. What works for me is vit C+E+ferulic serum and retinol to remodel the skin. It takes time, so if you are very impatient, you might want to treat yourself to a dermatologist appt for a quick fix - laser, dermabrasion, whatever.
Everybody has her favorite concealer, but what I like for the crepey skin underneath is MATIS eyes & lips treatment mask extreme comfort. I apply a thin layer under makeup/concealer and reapply all day long to keep the dreaded lines away. I have a tube in my purse, and one at home. It works on lips and the upper lip lines too. Also can be used as a mask for more intense moisturizing. It's around $48 for a 0.68fl oz/20 ml tube, so it's pricey, but worth it.
Another trick I learned is to draw a line with your concealer from the outer corner of your nose to the outer corner of your eye, on a slant. Then blend the concealer well up & in toward your inner eye corner. Blend the concealer well out also. This fills in the sunken area between the nose and the eye and lifts the area. Make sure your concealer isn't too light or you will end up looking like the reverse raccoon, which just makes you look tired.
HTH! =) |
Hi Fawnie,
I have just tried this trick with my concealer and it works!! Thank you. |
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:27 pm |
| sahmisme wrote: |
Have you found this to be true? I mean no matter what type of foundation or concealer I use the wrinkles around my eyes look worse WITH the makeup, even the supposed 'age defying' type foundations. It seems to accentuate the crepey skin and dry it out. Then whatever foundation I'm using it collects in the frown lines on my forehead and makes them stand out much worse.
Is it me or is it all crap? |
I find this to be very much the case, so much so that I almost never wear foundation. Instead I am trying to improve the health of my skin, and just wear sun screen (on top of my serums and lotions) with my eyeliner and gloss. I still have some discoloration that shows, but I look younger than when I wear foundation. |
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:32 pm |
| How about tinted moisturizers? Any better? |
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Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:57 pm |
| sahmisme wrote: |
Have you found this to be true? I mean no matter what type of foundation or concealer I use the wrinkles around my eyes look worse WITH the makeup, even the supposed 'age defying' type foundations. It seems to accentuate the crepey skin and dry it out. Then whatever foundation I'm using it collects in the frown lines on my forehead and makes them stand out much worse.
Is it me or is it all crap? |
I don't even wear foundation as much anymore and I do agree with you. I think I when I notice this problem, I try to exfoliate a bit more and use my moisturizer to fill in any fine lines.
I do use LM tinted moisturizer about one week per month and I apply it very lightly with no issues. I find that sometimes, when I apply my concealer, that is when lines are showing that I had no I idea that they existed! I think the other trick is applying foundation very lightly and make sure your skin is not dry. |
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