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Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:03 pm  |
Found this whilst I was researching dermaroller.
I was quite intrigued by the claim that you can get collagen induction under a 1mm needle size
I did experience improvement using a 0.8 mm dermastamp on acne scarring. And that was just a trial to see how my skin would react.
Comments anyone??? |
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:09 am |
Very interesting information (until the sales spiel came on at the end - which makes you wonder about the claims of some of the 'untruths').
If what he says about only needing a .5 on the facial skin to induce collagen is true, then I might just have to dig my .5 out and actually use it on a regular basis. (I still don't use my rollers often because I hate the sneezing and the pain in certain areas).
He makes a good point that we should exercise caution in WHAT you apply to your skin w/ the rollers because they can cause such an increase in absorption rates from the channels the rollers create. That is why I use copper peptides since they have been shown to increase collagen on their own (getting them down deeper to do their work is my goal). CPs also are great for scar reduction and I have a couple icepick scars they have helped shrink up tremendously using a single needle with them.
Vitamin A is one of the precautions he mentions as vitamin A is toxic at high levels. Just be careful with what you use after rolling since you don't want toxins getting into your system. |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:09 pm |
| I thought that, overall, the information he provided was very sound - particularly for home-use rollers. As for whether the 0.5mm roller stimulates collagen, there was a discussion on that on the original Dermaroller thread and opinions were divided. Bethany was adamant that the minimum length needed was 1mm - but there was other information which said that a 0.5mm roller did produce collagen. I'll see if I can dig it out. But then, I'm not sure whether that information was from clinical studies or from a seller. |
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:19 pm |
This is interesting:
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The length of the needles on the roller is of upmost importance, collagen stimulation hence production can only be achieved by using a 0.5mm and above needle length as it is a
scientific fact that new collagen regenerates close to the corneum (the outermost layer of the skin), no deeper than 0.5 to 0.6 mm below the basal layer (The deepest layer of the epidermis). Rolling the skin with needles less than .5mm in length will enhance the flow
active substances through the stratum corneum and circulation but will not induce the
production of collagen and elastin. |
http://www.humannurture.com.au/documents/DermalRollingWeb.pdf |
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Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 2:23 am |
| I agree this is a very informative video with some very interesting information. Kind of makes me want to switch over to a more a regular Dermarolling routine but regardless of the reality behind the treatments something about poking hundreds of needles into my skin erks me... Anyone had experience with the Dermastamp? |
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AGE: 25. Some laxity, fine lines, rosacea, and crepey skin. USING: Tripollar STOP, Lightstim, Slendertone Face, Microcurrent Wand, Almighty Ultrasound Device, Olay Cleansing Brush, Neck Line Slimmer. Retin-A, MUAC peels, and taking beauty supplements. Botox eyebrow lift and HG lip products are Too Faced. |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:17 am |
I wish I knew for sure if a .5 derma roller was useful for collagen production.
I have a 0.5 which I have only used once. I'm just not sure ''damaging'' my skin like that could be good for it. I was really red and sunburned looking after it, my neck and decollatage was pretty raw. It took about 3 days to settle and was pretty ouchy!
I would not be able to use a roller with bigger needles, too painful. So is it really worth it? There seems to be alot of different opinions on dearmarolling. |
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I'm 49, fair skin, green eyes, blonde hair, dry slightly sensitive skin, I have very few wrinkles, slight pigmentation, main worry is sagging..yuck!! Currently using CP |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:25 am |
| Bermie2 wrote: |
I wish I knew for sure if a .5 derma roller was useful for collagen production.
I have a 0.5 which I have only used once. I'm just not sure ''damaging'' my skin like that could be good for it. I was really red and sunburned looking after it, my neck and decollatage was pretty raw. It took about 3 days to settle and was pretty ouchy!
I would not be able to use a roller with bigger needles, too painful. So is it really worth it? There seems to be alot of different opinions on dearmarolling. |
It is the wound healing cascade after the "damaging" of the skin by rolling that produces collagen. Have you read all the articles on dermarolling here?
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29860 |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 5:50 am |
Whilst re-reading some of the articles at the link I gave above, I came accross the info on the 0.5mm roller and collagen injunction which I remembered reading earlier.
http://www.dermaroller.de/us/science/percutanous-delivery.html
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| The Dermaroller™ CIT-8 (CIT: Collagen Induction Therapy, Medical model) has the same characteristics with the Cosmetic types but in this case the needle length is 0.5mm (500 µm). Rolling the cylinder on the skin surface creates deeper micro-channels on the stratum corneum, through which any kind of substance we apply on the skin will gain access to even deeper and viable skin layers. On the same time, controlled, minuscule trauma is caused to the dermis, which reacts physiologically by producing collagen. The exact mechanisms of action are described later. |
This is from the official Dermaroller site which I consider to be a reliable source. |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 7:55 am |
| This is a good discussion. I've tried rolling with a 1mm but just couldn't do it, too ouchy. Maybe I will try a .5mm now. |
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Sat Oct 01, 2011 10:41 am |
| GirlieGirl wrote: |
| This is a good discussion. I've tried rolling with a 1mm but just couldn't do it, too ouchy. Maybe I will try a .5mm now. |
I agree and I will also try to get my .5 out more often from now on. Unfortunately, I still suffer from sneezing and pain with the .5
Sigh - I will have to resort to using a numbing cream even w/this size roller!! |
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early 60's, fair skin, combo skin, very few fine lines, vertical lip lines, crows feet & 11's, fighting aging! Using Palancia HF, dermarollers, CPs, Retin A Micro, Safetox, AALS, Clairsonic |
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Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:54 pm |
I bought .5mm dermaroller and used it last week on Tuesday and this week Sunday. Before I used the dermaroller, I studied my face and only saw a few teeny tiny holes in cheek of what looked like could be ice picks(Right Cheek: about 4 but very tiny, Left Cheek: none at all). After my second week I see that there are more of those tiny holes coming in and now i see them occuring on my other cheek(shallow and small but still kinda scared). My other cheek was completly clear when i started and I only dermarolled over these areas because i had a few dark spots that I wanted to get rid of. Dark spots are still there but now I'm scared, should I ever use it again?
My Routine:
1) Wash my face with a salicylic acid wipe and use proactiv gentle cleanser to wash my face.
2) Let dermaroller sit in isoproyl alcohol for 10 minutes then rinse it off with hot water.
3)roll 4-5 times each direction all over face.( no bleeding, no redness so apparently I'm doing it correctly)
4)Stick my dermaroller back into alcohol for ten mins and go ahead and wash my face with cold water.
5) i apply aveeno smart essentials vit a,e and c moisturizer.
6) After an hour I put on proactiv hydroquinone dark spot corrector.
My face is a lot smoother but I don't know whether I just noticed these little shallow dips in my face or not, but I swear it seems like my other cheek never had them and now they do. The cheek that did have them, I feel like I have more coming in. They are tiny now but what is going to happen if I dermaroll again? Please someone help, I'm crying over here!
Anyways, I have many dark spots on my forhead, IF i dermaroll over these areas, will I get pothole looking scars on my head? Please help me, because I might just quit this routine for good! Thanks ahead of time for helping! |
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