Oil or Moisturizer or BOTH... please educate me!
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free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:32 am

When I learned that oils existed, I thought "WONDERFUL, no more expensive creams to purchase!" Especially with all the harmful chemicals they put in them. Then I got to wondering...do I need a moisturizer too and do some people need both?

My skin is normal, it does good on just the oil (I use rosehip now) but wondering if I'm depriving it from not using a moisturizer for some reason?? I know some of them have "anti-aging ingredients" too but so many of these are just over hyped and over priced.

I guess what I'm saying is, when it comes to soley moisture...is an oil enough?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:52 am

Well, some of those 'anti-aging' ingredients are really expensive :P. I agree about the poisons though, and not all of those 'anti-aging' ingredients even work. Confused

Oddly some of the more expensive of those ingredients are some of the most questionable.

As for your question, if your skin doesn't seem to need a heavier moisturizer then you're probably fine. Rose hip oil seems to be roughly equivalent to hemp according to PubMed, and you might consider switching depending on whatever is cheaper. Jojoba is also really good to mix.

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:58 am

Thanks for the imput, I started with Jojoba...it didn't sink in as well as I had liked. I used Emu, was really oily...seemed to cause acne but it's good for when I feel really dry or with CPs (which I stopped using for now). Now I use rosehip and love it but just started using it. I also ordered coconut oil and I'm waiting for it in the mail so I may use that more for my body...not sure at this point.

I heard rosehip was good for wrinkles and hyperpigmentation so I'd like to stay with that for awhile and see how it goes. Plus, it sinks in really well and I can put makeup on afterwards.

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:30 am

I think it's excellent stuff. Just don't forget the sunscreen!

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:00 pm

The only difference with the creams are that they have emulsifiers and waxes to blend all the non oil ingredients with the oil ingredients, and why they are creamy and white. They are a little heavy sometimes though if you don't need the ingredients then using the straight oils is just as good. For me I think the actives are best absorbed in serums so I'd rather have anti-aging serums than creams.

If you have normal skin then I love this spf 30 moisturizer with argan oil and rosehip oil, plus green tea and other anti-oxidants. It is light so if you have dry skin like me then you might want a little extra oil on top, yet for other skin types it's enough on its own and has only zinc oxide in it, no synthetic fillers at all. All natural, it's a great line overall I think.

http://www.100percentpure.com/ARGAN-OIL-FACIAL-MOISTURIZER-SPF-30-s/561.htm

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:15 pm

IMO it's a personal decision based on your skintype, lifestyle and the rest of your routine. Many girls using the Oil Cleansing Method say their skin is dewy and glowing without a moisturising cream. My skin seems happiest with a mix of oil and water, be that rosehip seed oil emulsified with a HA serum/ aloe gel or a ready made cream.

Coconut oil is great for hair because the molecule size means it can be absorbed. I believe it is comedogenic for the face tho.

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:40 pm

BYRG wrote:

The only difference with the creams are that they have emulsifiers and waxes to blend all the non oil ingredients with the oil ingredients, and why they are creamy and white. They are a little heavy sometimes though if you don't need the ingredients then using the straight oils is just as good. For me I think the actives are best absorbed in serums so I'd rather have anti-aging serums than creams.

If you have normal skin then I love this spf 30 moisturizer with argan oil and rosehip oil, plus green tea and other anti-oxidants. It is light so if you have dry skin like me then you might want a little extra oil on top, yet for other skin types it's enough on its own and has only zinc oxide in it, no synthetic fillers at all. All natural, it's a great line overall I think.

http://www.100percentpure.com/ARGAN-OIL-FACIAL-MOISTURIZER-SPF-30-s/561.htm

I bet that stuff feels great on your face, someday I may check it out! Thanks

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:42 pm

Firefox7275 wrote:

IMO it's a personal decision based on your skintype, lifestyle and the rest of your routine. Many girls using the Oil Cleansing Method say their skin is dewy and glowing without a moisturising cream. My skin seems happiest with a mix of oil and water, be that rosehip seed oil emulsified with a HA serum/ aloe gel or a ready made cream.

Coconut oil is great for hair because the molecule size means it can be absorbed. I believe it is comedogenic for the face tho.

Hi Firefox, I just ordered some HA, I hope I like it as much as some of the people I've been hearing about. Do you recommend putting on the HA first or the rosehip first? Maybe I can mix them together...if so how much of each..any idea? I have an aloe plant too, maybe I can just mix all three ingredients lol Smile

free skin care · Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:08 pm

flgirl wrote:

Hi Firefox, I just ordered some HA, I hope I like it as much as some of the people I've been hearing about. Do you recommend putting on the HA first or the rosehip first? Maybe I can mix them together...if so how much of each..any idea? I have an aloe plant too, maybe I can just mix all three ingredients lol Smile

If layering you would need to apply the serum first or the oil would seal the water-based product out. I emulsify a pump of plain HA serum with a few drops of rosehip oil in my hand immediately before I apply, roughly equal parts of each. I would layer if you have chosen a serum containing actives as reactions could be unpredictable. I wouldn't have a clue about using fresh aloe extract as the gels or liquids have had destructive enzymes neutralised. I would imagine someone on the DIY board could advise tho? Cool

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:44 am

So technically speaking, oils don't provide any moisture. Only products containing water do that. But oils can trap water into the skin and/or help repair your skin's barrier function.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:28 pm

cm5597 wrote:

So technically speaking, oils don't provide any moisture. Only products containing water do that. But oils can trap water into the skin and/or help repair your skin's barrier function.

So I should put a moisturizer on first, then apply oil? I too have recently begun using Rosehip oil.

I've been washing, applying HA serum, rosehip oil, sunscreen, then makeup. My skin is so dry I think I need more moisturization.

In which step should I apply moisturizer? Also, I'd like to add a vitamin C serum to this routine. Can I use vitamin C serum and HA serum, or is that too many products?

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:09 pm

Beach_bum wrote:

So I should put a moisturizer on first, then apply oil? I too have recently begun using Rosehip oil.

I've been washing, applying HA serum, rosehip oil, sunscreen, then makeup. My skin is so dry I think I need more moisturization.

In which step should I apply moisturizer? Also, I'd like to add a vitamin C serum to this routine. Can I use vitamin C serum and HA serum, or is that too many products?

I personally would put a moisturizer on After the oil. My face also got very dry when I just used an oil. You need a moisturizer on top to "seal" it in. Oils and moisturizers are 2 different things and while some can do fine with just an oil, others will need a moisturizer on top or their skin will dry out.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:30 pm

I don't think that's correct?
That might have just been due to the type of oil you used. Some can be drying.
It sounds like she should apply moisturizer after the serum, and before the oil.

This might be worth a read:
http://www.smartskincare.com/skincarebasics/basicmoisturizing.html

I prefer to hydrate from the inside by drinking lots of water and eating a lot of fruit & veggies. I also try to take fish oils. I don't believe that a moisturizer is necessary for everyone, so don't believe the hype! If your skin feels uncomfortable and vulnerable to the elements, sure, but if not... why? You might want the anti-oxidants & other benefits etc that some contain, but like others have said, could get those in a serum.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:44 pm

Through my DIY ventures of which there have been many, I go back and forth between oil only and oil in water emulsions (creams). Each persons skin is different and we all have our personal favorites with oils. For my skin coconut oil and rosehip oil seem to be the best. I prefer the straight oils at night where I slather it on head to toe, but an emulsion in the day under makeup as it seems to penetrate better and leave less residue.

I don't use actives (aside from HA mostly because it improves the texture of creams) so can't comment on the rest. Although when I was using them, they are easier to formulate in serums rather than creams.

My cream of the moment (I tweak them all the time), is coconut oil, sea kelp ferment, floral water, rose hip oil and hyaluronic acid. It's very light and softening.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:50 pm

rileygirl wrote:

Beach_bum wrote:

So I should put a moisturizer on first, then apply oil? I too have recently begun using Rosehip oil.

I've been washing, applying HA serum, rosehip oil, sunscreen, then makeup. My skin is so dry I think I need more moisturization.

In which step should I apply moisturizer? Also, I'd like to add a vitamin C serum to this routine. Can I use vitamin C serum and HA serum, or is that too many products?

I personally would put a moisturizer on After the oil. My face also got very dry when I just used an oil. You need a moisturizer on top to "seal" it in. Oils and moisturizers are 2 different things and while some can do fine with just an oil, others will need a moisturizer on top or their skin will dry out.

I would put oil on last because a moisturiser contains water. If you put the oil on first, the moisturiser won't penetrate.

Anyway, I prefer to use just serums and oil on top of those.

free skin care · Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:27 pm

Aeonios wrote:

Well, some of those 'anti-aging' ingredients are really expensive :P. I agree about the poisons though, and not all of those 'anti-aging' ingredients even work. Confused

Oddly some of the more expensive of those ingredients are some of the most questionable.

As for your question, if your skin doesn't seem to need a heavier moisturizer then you're probably fine. Rose hip oil seems to be roughly equivalent to hemp according to PubMed, and you might consider switching depending on whatever is cheaper. Jojoba is also really good to mix.

yeah ,,normally anti aging stuff has peptide in it ,,,it makes the products expensive

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:32 am

Keliu wrote:

I would put oil on last because a moisturiser contains water. If you put the oil on first, the moisturiser won't penetrate.

This morning I put on my moisturizer before my rosehip oil, but then I put my sunscreen on after the oil. Would this make the sunscreen ineffective because it won't be able to penetrate the oil?

If I apply the sunscreen and then the rosehip oil, would it dilute the sunscreen? I love the rosehip oil (it makes my skin glow and it really makes my foundation just glide on) so I don't want to give it up, but alone it isn't moisturizing enough (thanks to the retin a).

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:26 am

Keliu wrote:

rileygirl wrote:

Beach_bum wrote:

So I should put a moisturizer on first, then apply oil? I too have recently begun using Rosehip oil.

I've been washing, applying HA serum, rosehip oil, sunscreen, then makeup. My skin is so dry I think I need more moisturization.

In which step should I apply moisturizer? Also, I'd like to add a vitamin C serum to this routine. Can I use vitamin C serum and HA serum, or is that too many products?

I personally would put a moisturizer on After the oil. My face also got very dry when I just used an oil. You need a moisturizer on top to "seal" it in. Oils and moisturizers are 2 different things and while some can do fine with just an oil, others will need a moisturizer on top or their skin will dry out.

I would put oil on last because a moisturiser contains water. If you put the oil on first, the moisturiser won't penetrate.

Anyway, I prefer to use just serums and oil on top of those.

Hmmm....good point. I use squalane oil and then follow up with Nia 24's Intensive Repair cream. I will try it in reverse, to see if I have better results. Thanks Keliu.

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:53 pm

Beach_bum wrote:

This morning I put on my moisturizer before my rosehip oil, but then I put my sunscreen on after the oil. Would this make the sunscreen ineffective because it won't be able to penetrate the oil?

If I apply the sunscreen and then the rosehip oil, would it dilute the sunscreen? I love the rosehip oil (it makes my skin glow and it really makes my foundation just glide on) so I don't want to give it up, but alone it isn't moisturizing enough (thanks to the retin a).

Is it a physical or chemical sunscreen?

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:35 pm

It's physical - Devita. I put it on under my rosehip oil this morning. The past two months I've been putting it on top of my oil.

I'm so confused!

Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:22 pm

I use a serum and then moisturizer. Do you really see a huge difference using oil? I have tried over the years and really didn't get how to apply them to my routine. And do you apply the oil to the whole face or just select areas?

free skin care · Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:34 pm

Beach_bum wrote:

Keliu wrote:

I would put oil on last because a moisturiser contains water. If you put the oil on first, the moisturiser won't penetrate.

This morning I put on my moisturizer before my rosehip oil, but then I put my sunscreen on after the oil. Would this make the sunscreen ineffective because it won't be able to penetrate the oil?

If I apply the sunscreen and then the rosehip oil, would it dilute the sunscreen? I love the rosehip oil (it makes my skin glow and it really makes my foundation just glide on) so I don't want to give it up, but alone it isn't moisturizing enough (thanks to the retin a).

I use Rosehip Oil too. With regard to the sunscreen I would say this. Sunscreen is not a moisturiser it is there to protect. So the fact that it is sitting on top of the oil shouldn't matter. I actually apply a primer on top of the oil and before the sunscreen - I read to do that somewhere. But I wouldn't be putting oil on top of sunscreen. Oil makes your skin burn in the sun (remember suntan oils?)

Another point is that some oils are "pushers" - they push the products underneath them further into the skin - which is another reason to apply them last (last before sunscreen that is!).

free skin care · Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:36 am

Keliu wrote:

I would put oil on last because a moisturiser contains water. If you put the oil on first, the moisturiser won't penetrate.

Anyway, I prefer to use just serums and oil on top of those.

I think it really depends on what you believe an oil is and/or does and why you are using the oil in the first place. I believe, as CM stated above, that an oil is to repair the skin barrier/trap water in the skin. I only use an oil if I am trying to repair my skin barrier from something harsh that I have used. So, for what I believe, I put the oil on first, as I want it next to my skin to stop TEWL and repair my barrier. I cannot use only an oil, as my skin is still dry and/or flaky after applying an oil, so I put a moisturizer on top of it. If you believe an oil is a moisturizer or are using it to seal in other products, then I would think your way of applying the oil on top would be the right way. Just my 2 cents here! Very Happy

free skin care · Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:26 am

Beach_bum wrote:

It's physical - Devita. I put it on under my rosehip oil this morning. The past two months I've been putting it on top of my oil.

I'm so confused!

I would apply sunscreen as the last step in skincare. If you apply it first and layer things on top, you risk pushing the sunscreen away from where you applied it and you also risk diluting the sunscreen by applying more products on top of it. So if it was originally spf 30, it has probably gone down to spf 20 or so because of the excess products

free skin care · Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:27 am

I used coconut oil only on my face for few months. But it make pimple on my face. Now I use serum first and coconut oil at night and serum and sunscreen in the morning. It is really good and better than only put coconut oil.

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