Red stains from copper peptides - chemists, what is this?
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Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:39 pm

Hi

I am very curious to know what this is because Skin Biology refused to ever answer my questions about it. They just totally ignored my question each time and replied about something else! Chemists, what specific chemical do you think caused this... ?

I started noticing what others have referred to as 'Kool-Aid stains' on white clothing - pastel reddish/cerise stains that would not wash out of collars and shoulder straps. It happened when using SRCPs, or so-called 'second generation' copper peptides, which are made by swizzling Copper Chloride with soy protein. I actually ruined a lot of clothes this way!

I presume the product was reacting with something else on my skin? Perhaps something acidic? Or could it just have been breaking down due to something environmental or on my clothes? What red chemical was being created?

I am especially curious because I had truly dreadful results from very low level SRCP use - classic SRCP damage of crepiness and bad wrinkling. A disaster. It was also rather suspicious that Skin Biology disregarded my questions about it. I am wondering if the product of this apparent chemical reaction had anything to do with the harm caused.

Thanks.

free skin care · Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:39 am

I've never heard of this. I use CPs and they do not stain my clothing any color, and certainly not red. Maybe it reacted with your detergent.

free skin care · Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:46 am

By the way, I just found the thread on Skin Bio about this. Why do you say your questions were ignored? I thought it was answered in some depth.

Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:41 pm

There's a thread somewhere? It says what this red chemical is?! Please post the link so I can read, thanks!

I meant that my direct questions to Skin Biology by personal email were ignored. They responded to the emails with other information but never addressed or even acknowledged the questions about the red chemical. It was quite strange. I'm sure that a biochemist or chemist would have no difficulty figuring out what it is.

Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:55 am

Update: I went looking for the SB forum and found one old thread with 3 people talking about this exact thing. The only response from SB (Pickart) in that thread was "no knowledge"(!)

Is there another thread somewhere that you found?

I recall a discussion on some forum somewhere where people described it as "Kool-Aid" stains, but I can't find that.

free skin care · Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:20 am

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Some ascorbic acid, hydroxy acids, hdroquinone, or benzoyl peroxide, or something else other than SRCPs you are using are possibilities.

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I have experienced the same thing, but with blue towels that I used to dry my face. This was about a year ago, when the only chemical-y thing I was putting on my face was benzoyl peroxide. Could bp be your culprit?

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Without additional information, it could be just about anything.

If the staining is only happening to white cotton fabric, then it could be a dye transferring or spotting issue in the laundry. Something could also be reacting to any laundry detergent or fabric softner residue.

Like I said, answered in some depth. I don't think it's the copper peptides - I use them and have never noticed red or pink stains on my clothing.

Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:35 pm

Immacolata, thank you very much for your input.

However my question is "What specific chemical caused the pink stains?" It is yet to be answered. It requires a chemist!

I am quite certain that SRCP is the pertinent variable as I can reproduce the effect very easily:

- Using SRCP = intermittent pink stains, guarranteed.

- Not using SRCP = no pink stains, ever.

It's only the specific chemical I want to know about, rather than how to avoid the stains or bleach them out.

free skin care · Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:06 pm

I only have a casual interest in chemistry and I am not familiar with copper peptides and have never used them. So, for what it's worth... Copper oxidises and forms other salts which I suppose can be rubbed off on your shirt collar. I imagine if you left your shirt unwashed for a long time this would continue to tarnish and eventually turn brown, but since you are washing your shirt, you are washing the copper salts away and all that's remaining is the red/pink stain they left behind. Just a thought... no idea whether this is actually happening to your clothing

free skin care · Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:32 pm

All my SkinBiology creams and serums are blue. I've always been very careful not to stain my clothes blue. Sometimes if I don't blend in the SuperCop or Trireduction cream my skin has a blue gray pallor, which I don't get if I use the liquid serum. In this cold, dry weather I've been using the cream formula.

The only skincare product I've used that ruined quite a few clothes was all natural sunscreen. The physical sunblock type. It left white stains that would not wash out. So I went back to chemical Neutrogena Sheer with no problems since.

free skin care · Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:25 am

You know, I have gotten pink stains from wearing other creams. Since you haven't gotten much responses from people who've had the same experience, I'd say it's perhaps an inactive ingredient (or another ingredient) that causes the stains.

The stains are bright, bright pink, almost red, on your pillow, right?

This happens to me when I use skinmedica's anti-redness cream (ironically).

--avalange

Scinofi wrote:

Immacolata, thank you very much for your input.

However my question is "What specific chemical caused the pink stains?" It is yet to be answered. It requires a chemist!

I am quite certain that SRCP is the pertinent variable as I can reproduce the effect very easily:

- Using SRCP = intermittent pink stains, guarranteed.

- Not using SRCP = no pink stains, ever.

It's only the specific chemical I want to know about, rather than how to avoid the stains or bleach them out.

free skin care · Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:46 am

If those who experienced pink stains would list the ingredients of the products that caused them, or that you think caused them, then we might find a common denominator. I suspect it might be an ingredient in creams or lotions that is reacting with a particular kind of detergent.

My CPs are green and blue too - I don't use enough of them to cause any stain or pallor. I kind of like the vivid blue color of Skin Signals! LOL

Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:26 pm

avalange wrote:

This happens to me when I use skinmedica's anti-redness cream (ironically).

Interesting. I looked at the ingredients and couldn't spot an immediate common denominator. The thick plottens...

For others mentioning that copper products are blue... Yes, they are. It's after something reacts with something else (the great mystery!) that the cerise chemical appears.

free skin care · Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:54 pm

Now I'm interested to know what specific interaction causes this. I know that epsom salts and bleach will turn pink. Do you use bleach in your laundry, on the items that get the pink stains?

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