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Dr. Jinx
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:19 pm  |
I usually don't get outside in the daytime ALL that much, so one application of broad-spectrum sunscreen has been adequate for the amount of UV exposure I'd have. However, I've recently relocated to a southern area, closer to the equator. I plan to be going out a LOT more often this summer. I have extremely pale/fair skin, & am prescribed Retin-A (highest concentration) cream nightly for cystic acne (whenever I stop using it, it comes back). I'm 29yrs old. The sunscreen I currently use is La Roche-Posay Anthelios Mineral Ultra Light Sunscreen Fluid, SPF 50.
On top of the fair/sensitive skin issue, I have several recessed facial scars from a disfiguring infection (I'm having surgery soon to revise them/flatten them out), so, with these new "young" scars I'll have, I'm even more concerned about proper UV protection.
I was wondering.. how would you guys put on makeup early in the day, but make sure to reapply an EFFECTIVE sunscreen every few hours, without having to wash all your makeup off/start over again, etc? Is there a trick to this, or is it just one of those, "just don't wear makeup if you go out all day" situations?
The chronic infected wounds I'd dealt with for so long kind of messed me up. I experience a lot of anxiety going out (presently I use dermaflage silicone fillers to hide the deep scars just to go on errands) without makeup on. Like heart-racing, difficulty thinking straight kind of anxiety. I elicited strong reactions from people, sometimes. I could sum those experiences up w/this one I had w/a cashier: She gaped at me, saying "What HAPPENED to your FACE? Did you get in a car accident?!" Granted, she was young, & I'm rationally aware it shouldn't matter, but similar things happened repeatedly. Eventually sunk in there, and impacted me emotionally. It's something I want to overcome when my life gets a bit more stable, but at the same time I'm just looking to reduce any distress in the short-term so I can heal my new scars properly and still go out and function in the upcoming months. My immune system's not the greatest since that infection (which lasted over a year or so w/relapses, sepsis, hospitalizations). Acute or chronic stress can hinder immune function/healing further, so I'm looking to reduce it where I can.
Sorry for rambling.
If anyone has any useful sunscreen reapplication techniques for when you're out & about AND wearing makeup, please share.
Thanks!
- Jinx
caveat: If it's relevant, the makeup I wear normally during the day is Paula's Choice Barely There Sheer Matte Tinted Moisturizer SPF 30, Dermablend concealer stick SPF 30, Physician's Formula Airbrushing Loose Powder SPF 30, Physician's Formula Organic Wear Lash-boosting Mascara, PF's powder blush, & a nude eyeshadow stick from Almay. Touchups w/Neutrogena oil-controlling pressed powder when needed. I realize powder SPF is no longer considered an effective sunscreen by the FDA, but I still liked the overall look of the makeup. I don't have a lot of money for cosmetics- Paula's Choice & the Dermablend are the most costly cosmetics I've purchased so far (between $25-$30 each). |
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Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:37 pm |
| Hi Dr. Jinx. So sorry to hear about your problems. I hope that after your surgery you can regain some of your confidence and start to feel better emotionally. Up until a year or so ago I had extremely oily skin and very bad, sometimes cystic, acne. I use Tazorac cream at the highest percent and so I think our skin is probably a lot alike. I know that there will be some who disagree with me but in my experience if you are using a mineral sunscreen, not a chemical one, then you don't need to reapply during the day. I have been using some form of physical sunscreen for the past 10 years or so and have never reapplied during the day unless I have been swimming or sweating a lot. I have done this while traveling in Central and South America and have never even got a tan. Chemical sunscreens absorb UV rays while mineral sunscreens deflect the UV rays. Make sure that the mineral sunscreen you use has a fairly high percent of zinc - zinc is a great against UVA and UVB. I use Paula's Choice Resist Super-Light Wrinkle Defense SPF 30 (13% zinc) at the moment and really like it, although it is a bit hard to remove. I hope this helps and good luck to you in the future. Doodles. |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:06 am |
Hi Dr. Jinx,
I live in a hot tropical environment and am frequently outdoors. I suggest you use a Vitamin C serum first. Then a chemical sunscreen if your skin can handle chemicals. Then apply a physical sunscreen after moisturizer, if needed. For foundation, I use a CC cream such at IT Cosmetics or a tinted moisturizer or BB cream that has a high amount of zinc oxide. After makeup application, I reapply sunscreen by using a powder sunscreen such as Peter Thomas Roth, Colorescience, or Physician's Formula. I also use a sunscreen spray that is specifically meant to be used over makeup, such as Make Keep - see http://www.ratzillacosme.com/sun/shigaisen-yoho-make-keep-uv-spray-4/
Multiple layers of sunscreen products and frequent reapplication keeps my melasma in check. |
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Dr. Jinx
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:18 pm |
These are great suggestions so far!
I use a serum in the morning that has both vitamin C & niacinamide, so I'm good on that front, it seems!
The current sunscreen I use is 11% Titanium Dioxide. I'll go search for one with zinc oxide, instead (or combined) since you guys are recommending that. This brand seems a bit overpriced, even if the matte look of it is quite ideal.
My boyfriend mentioned it recently, too [zinc oxide]. A dermatologist suggested that particular physical sunscreen for a fresh scar on his back.
Please keep the suggestions coming!
Thanks again. I have my scar revision surgery coming up later this month, and having this sorted out beforehand will bring me a lot of comfort, after all this mess.  |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:43 pm |
| In addition to a good sunscreen, you might want to buy some really cute hats for all your outfits. I envy you, I live in Oregon so don't get much sun and I crave it! |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:43 pm |
Is your cystic acne caused by hormones? If so you might try supplements that help balance the hormones.
I take fish oils, vitamin c, b complex, and vitmin e. I was also taking Harmony PMS too which is supposed help too but I was taking it to regulate my period. I don't have a problem with breakouts but do have perimenopause symptoms.
If you are prone to clogged pores but sensitive I would choose a physical sunscreen as it takes longer to break down so will give you more protection over the day. For gentle exfoliation I rec the konjac sponge. You can them from ebay, Sephora and saje.ca.
I would also use a mineral foundation over top. If your skin is sensitive I would limit the amount of chemical products in case there is a reaction. The mineral foundation must be opaque to give protection. The Neutrogena you are using is not opaque enough.
I suggest getting samples from Buffd, Monave, Jlynne (good for pale skin), Aromaleigh (good for pale skin) and Meow for some of the fuller coverage mineral foundations.
For the anxiety, have you heard of Dr. Bach's Rescue Remedy? You can get the spray or lozenges but it's cheaper to buy the concentrate and dilute it. It's good for calming the nerves. I used it on my pets with very good results. It's natural and safe. |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:50 pm |
| Dr. Jinx wrote: |
These are great suggestions so far!
I use a serum in the morning that has both vitamin C & niacinamide, so I'm good on that front, it seems!
The current sunscreen I use is 11% Titanium Dioxide. I'll go search for one with zinc oxide, instead (or combined) since you guys are recommending that. This brand seems a bit overpriced, even if the matte look of it is quite ideal.
My boyfriend mentioned it recently, too [zinc oxide]. A dermatologist suggested that particular physical sunscreen for a fresh scar on his back.
Please keep the suggestions coming!
Thanks again. I have my scar revision surgery coming up later this month, and having this sorted out beforehand will bring me a lot of comfort, after all this mess. |
http://www.futurederm.com/2012/10/25/should-niacinamide-and-l-ascorbic-acid-be-used-together/
There are links at this site also that talk about this. |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:59 pm |
Hi! I can certainly relate to the emotional part.
I stopped wearing foundation and did own tinted foundation that I've worn at night for going out.
I ate more fish, I used Sonya Dakar omega oil, but before I put that on, I had Vivier Pharma vitamin C on.
Sometimes I had a lotion on, but I would skip it and wear my sunscreen (physical) and reapply throughout the day.
My makeup would be mainly eye makeup.
Sometimes I washed my face mid-day, put on AHA lotion and reapply sunscreen. |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 8:01 pm |
| Dr. Jinx wrote: |
| The current sunscreen I use is 11% Titanium Dioxide. I'll go search for one with zinc oxide, instead (or combined) since you guys are recommending that. This brand seems a bit overpriced, even if the matte look of it is quite ideal. |
Titanium dioxide does not protect against long wave UVA rays so it does not provide broad spectrum protection. |
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Dry skin but not many wrinkles; 50s and Asian; Topicals: Vit C, tretinoin, hydroquinone & azaleic acid for melasma; Likes: SK-II, Shiseido, Shu Uemura, Skinceuticals, Obagi, P50, Sunday Riley, Hada Labo, facial oils |
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:13 pm |
In the morning, I use Clinique City Block Sheer 25SPF with or without foundation after. If I am planning to do errands at lunchtime, I will often avoid foundation. That way I can reapply the City Block before lunch. It has a slight tint so tones down some of my redness. Otherwise, I think a face full of foundation and blush should protect the skin better than nothing. All I'm doing is walking from the parking lot to the store and back. Little sun exposure.
I also wear big sunglasses.
I can't wear a hat during the work week because I will get "hat hair." |
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Dr. Jinx
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:24 pm |
What liquid-matte sort of zinc oxide based sunscreen would you guys recommend? Ideally I'm looking for one that's over 6% zinc oxide, and not mixed w/a chemical sunscreen.
I'm returning my Titanium Dioxide one to CVS. I appreciate all the insight here.
Oh & for the member who asked if my acne/oily skin was from hormones: yes, I believe it is. I am prescribed 100mg spironolactone (trade name Aldactone) to combat it. The drug is an aldosterone blocker. It's cleared me up in combination of the retin-A, and my skin's not terribly oily anymore. Maybe I could even consider it "normal," now, on the oily-dry spectrum. I also suffer a bit of mild hirsutism, & the medication helped reduce that as well. One side effect of this drug (as it's a diuretic) is that you have to pee A LOT. I worry about premature aging because of this fluid loss, but I make it a point to stay hydrated. I notice I do tolerate the heat a lot less, get sweaty easily. But overall the pros seem to outweigh the cons.
I'm hoping to find an ideal matte, water resistant, zinc-based sunscreen before my surgery so my skin gets used to it (surgery's in a few weeks).
I've looked at "BurnOut Ocean Tested Physical Sunscreen SPF 30" (just google it)
Does this seem like a viable pick? I use a tinted moisturizer, and I'm very pale with blue/pink undertones, so I'm not too worried about the possible white cast. Mostly worried about potential comedogenicity |
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29yr old female, dark hair, fair skin. Oily, acne prone, scars. Using Retin-A nightly w/good results. Big on low-cost EFFECTIVE sunscreens, & minimizing steps in makeup applications. Always searching for a faster, simpler, but more effective way to achieve a natural-looking, nourishing & protective result... I'm also obsessed with cats. |
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Dr. Jinx
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 6:08 pm |
Here are the ingredients:
BurnOut Ocean Tested Physical Sunscreen SPF 30
This sunscreen is made for athletes pushing the limits.
Formulated with 20% Zinc Oxide to provide UVA and UVB broad-spectrum protection.
Very water-resistant, sweatproof, and will not run into eyes.
Chemical-free, paraben-free, petroleum-free, PABA-free.
Biodegradable, Ocean-Safe, physical sunscreen with no chemical UV absorbers.
Super moisturizing formula. Enriched with Virgin Hemp Seed Oil, Aloe Vera, and Antioxidant Vitamins to soothe and rejuvenate sun-damaged skin.
Size: 3.4 fluid oz
Active Ingredients: Zinc Oxide (non-nano) 20%
Other Ingredients: Purified Water, Organic Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice*, Capric/ Caprylic Triglycerides, Sorbitan Stearate, Polyglyceryl-10 Laurate, Cetyl Dimethicone, Magnesium Sulfate, Organic Avocado Oil*, Virgin Hemp Seed Oil, Organic Cucumber Extract*, Organic Green Tea Extract*, Tocopherols, Organic Pomegranate Juice*, Helionori, Hyaluronic Acid, Ethylhexylglycerin, Hydrogenated Methyl Abiate, Polyaminopropyl Biguanide.
The term "oil" in any ingredients listing sets alarms off for me- I never know which will clog my pores and which will not. I have NO problems with products high in mineral content, btw. |
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29yr old female, dark hair, fair skin. Oily, acne prone, scars. Using Retin-A nightly w/good results. Big on low-cost EFFECTIVE sunscreens, & minimizing steps in makeup applications. Always searching for a faster, simpler, but more effective way to achieve a natural-looking, nourishing & protective result... I'm also obsessed with cats. |
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:40 pm |
| Dr. Jinx wrote: |
Here are the ingredients:
BurnOut Ocean Tested Physical Sunscreen SPF 30 |
I use this and have very dry skin. Would not recommend this product for any other type of skin.
For a drier formulation, have you tried the Japanese sunscreens? They offer the highest protection and some are zinc based. There are a few with no alcohol (I avoid alcohol due to dry skin). I like Biore Bright Face UV Milk SPF50 PA++++, Sunplay 130 PA++++ and Sunbears Super SPF50 PA+++. These are all matte with not much white cast and work well under makeup. |
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Dry skin but not many wrinkles; 50s and Asian; Topicals: Vit C, tretinoin, hydroquinone & azaleic acid for melasma; Likes: SK-II, Shiseido, Shu Uemura, Skinceuticals, Obagi, P50, Sunday Riley, Hada Labo, facial oils |
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:56 pm |
@denisiel Ah, thanks for the description of the burnout stuff.
The Biore one you mentioned looked promising, but I stay away from chemical sunscreens ENTIRELY. Keep hearing too many things about them being endocrine disruptors.. I've got enough hormone issues as it is, ha.
I'm leery of Japanese products since it can be difficult to find the ingredients listings, % concentrations, etc. But I'll research the other two you mentioned.
I just came across "Thinksport LIVESTRONG sunscreen, spf 50."
Again seems to contain a lot of fruit oils, castor oil.. looked so good up until I read that. Frustrating. |
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29yr old female, dark hair, fair skin. Oily, acne prone, scars. Using Retin-A nightly w/good results. Big on low-cost EFFECTIVE sunscreens, & minimizing steps in makeup applications. Always searching for a faster, simpler, but more effective way to achieve a natural-looking, nourishing & protective result... I'm also obsessed with cats. |
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:03 pm |
| Dr. Jinx wrote: |
| I'm leery of Japanese products since it can be difficult to find the ingredients listings, % concentrations, etc. But I'll research the other two you mentioned. |
Hi, I usually use ratzilla to find ingredients to Japanese products - http://www.ratzillacosme.com/sun/biore-uv-bright-face-milk-4-plus/
Japanese sunscreens don't list percentages of zinc but I go by the PA rating. Also, Kao and some other larger companies have propietary ingredients that are supposed to offer the best protection.
If you aren't concerned about alcohol, then there are a lot more sunscreens to try. How about the Shiseido sunscreens - they are brilliant.
Many Asian products are made for oily skin, long wear, cosmetically elegant, and high protection so they may be suitable for your needs.
For US brands, I like Suntegrity and CoteZ, which are both tinted. CotZ has a very matte finish. |
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Dry skin but not many wrinkles; 50s and Asian; Topicals: Vit C, tretinoin, hydroquinone & azaleic acid for melasma; Likes: SK-II, Shiseido, Shu Uemura, Skinceuticals, Obagi, P50, Sunday Riley, Hada Labo, facial oils |
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:01 pm |
Hi Dr. Jinx, have you looked at Devita RX Ultrasolar SPF 50? It has 19% zinc. Ingredients:
Actives: Zinc Oxide 19% (Transparent), Titanium Dioxide 8%
Inactives: Purified water, Aloe Vera Gel, Capric/Caprylic Triglycerides (derived from Coconut Oil), Stearic Acid, Vegetable Glycerin, Magnesium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Hyaluronic Acid, Glyceryl Stearate (from Vegetable Oil), Soy Lecithin, Vitamin E (Acetate), Allantoin, Comfrey Root Extract, Grape Seed Extract.
I tried it but my skin does not tolerate glycerin so it was a no go for me, but it practically disappears on the skin and is not greasy at all. There is also the Paulas Choice one that I mentioned earlier. It has 13% zinc and its slightly tinted so no white cast - I really like this one. I hope this gives you a couple of more ideas. Good luck! |
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Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:40 pm |
So, I've just ordered EltaMD brand sunscreen from dermstore. "UV Physical SPF 41." Ordered it before noticing a couple other replies here. It'll be here in 2-3 days. (they have a good return policy if I hate it)
Made for sensitive skin. Often sold in doctor offices, which sort of lends a bit of legitimacy to it.
water resistant, oil free, 9% zinc oxide, light tint.
Ingredients:
Active: Zinc Oxide (9%), Titanium Dioxide (7%); Other: Aluminum Hydroxide, Butylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Dimethicone/Methicone Copolymer, Hydrated Silica, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Lecithin, Linoleic Acid, Octyl Stearate, Octyldodecyl Neopentanoate, Oleth-3 Phosphate, Perfluoronyl Dimethicone, Phenoxyethanol, Polyacrylate 13, Polyisobutene, Polysorbate 20, Purified Water, Quercetin, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Selenite, Soft Tex Yellow Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Red Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Russett Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Black Iron Oxide, Thioctic Acid, Triethoxycaprylylsilane.
I'm EXTREMELY fair & hate tanning, so I'm anticipating the tint this sunscreen unfortunately comes with will be too dark for me, but perhaps if I layer it under my Paula's Choice Barely There Sheer Matte Tint/spf30 (which is ever so slightly too light for me), it should balance out. We'll see.
If this doesn't work out, I'll explore the Devita one mentioned earlier in the thread.
Please keep the suggestions coming |
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29yr old female, dark hair, fair skin. Oily, acne prone, scars. Using Retin-A nightly w/good results. Big on low-cost EFFECTIVE sunscreens, & minimizing steps in makeup applications. Always searching for a faster, simpler, but more effective way to achieve a natural-looking, nourishing & protective result... I'm also obsessed with cats. |
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Thu Apr 10, 2014 9:49 am |
| Dr. Jinx wrote: |
So, I've just ordered EltaMD brand sunscreen from dermstore. "UV Physical SPF 41." Ordered it before noticing a couple other replies here. It'll be here in 2-3 days. (they have a good return policy if I hate it)
Made for sensitive skin. Often sold in doctor offices, which sort of lends a bit of legitimacy to it.
water resistant, oil free, 9% zinc oxide, light tint.
Ingredients:
Active: Zinc Oxide (9%), Titanium Dioxide (7%); Other: Aluminum Hydroxide, Butylene Glycol, Citric Acid, Dimethicone/Methicone Copolymer, Hydrated Silica, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Isopropyl Palmitate, Lecithin, Linoleic Acid, Octyl Stearate, Octyldodecyl Neopentanoate, Oleth-3 Phosphate, Perfluoronyl Dimethicone, Phenoxyethanol, Polyacrylate 13, Polyisobutene, Polysorbate 20, Purified Water, Quercetin, Sodium Hydroxide, Sodium Selenite, Soft Tex Yellow Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Red Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Russett Iron Oxide, Soft Tex Black Iron Oxide, Thioctic Acid, Triethoxycaprylylsilane.
I'm EXTREMELY fair & hate tanning, so I'm anticipating the tint this sunscreen unfortunately comes with will be too dark for me, but perhaps if I layer it under my Paula's Choice Barely There Sheer Matte Tint/spf30 (which is ever so slightly too light for me), it should balance out. We'll see.
If this doesn't work out, I'll explore the Devita one mentioned earlier in the thread.
Please keep the suggestions coming |
it is not a bad sunscreen. i have used it b4. currently using. does not leave a white cast. could past off for a light foundation if you have very good skin.
my next aim is green screen kabana.. neutral and peach tinted... has 20% zinc oxide.. posted the details above.... |
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Fri Apr 11, 2014 8:14 am |
| denisiel wrote: |
Hi Dr. Jinx,
I live in a hot tropical environment and am frequently outdoors. I suggest you use a Vitamin C serum first. Then a chemical sunscreen if your skin can handle chemicals. Then apply a physical sunscreen after moisturizer, if needed. For foundation, I use a CC cream such at IT Cosmetics or a tinted moisturizer or BB cream that has a high amount of zinc oxide. After makeup application, I reapply sunscreen by using a powder sunscreen such as Peter Thomas Roth, Colorescience, or Physician's Formula. I also use a sunscreen spray that is specifically meant to be used over makeup, such as Make Keep - see http://www.ratzillacosme.com/sun/shigaisen-yoho-make-keep-uv-spray-4/
Multiple layers of sunscreen products and frequent reapplication keeps my melasma in check. |
Where do you buy the Make Keep spray? I've searched and searched and cannot find it online.  |
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Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:54 pm |
| Are any of these products can be obtained in Canada? I'm tired of ordering products and waiting for it to arrive and pay for shipping costs. |
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Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:50 am |
| Immacolata wrote: |
| Where do you buy the Make Keep spray? I've searched and searched and cannot find it online. |
Hi Immacolata, Just saw your message. I buy the Make Keep in Hong Kong but have seen it on eBay too. I also read that the Parasola UV Cut Spray SPF50+ PA++++ is excellent - http://www.ratzillacosme.com/reviews/best-pick-parasola-essence-uv-cut-spray-ex/
I tested the Parasola on the back of my hands and the finish was good. I prefer the Make Keep because of the zinc oxide but the Parasola has great chemical protection. Have seen the Parasola on eBay and it is also sold by Sasa.com. It's also half the price of the Make Keep. |
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Dry skin but not many wrinkles; 50s and Asian; Topicals: Vit C, tretinoin, hydroquinone & azaleic acid for melasma; Likes: SK-II, Shiseido, Shu Uemura, Skinceuticals, Obagi, P50, Sunday Riley, Hada Labo, facial oils |
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Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:40 am |
| You should re-apply sunscreen when you are excessively expose in direct sunlight. Make sure that your sunscreen has Uva and Uvb. Although you have applied sunblock still you must be careful in exposing yourself in the sun for long period of time. Excessive exposure in the sun is one of the leading cause of skin cancer. |
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