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Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:24 am  |
I am debating starting a retinoid products again. My first try about two years ago left me with dehydrated, super sensitive, and just older looking skin!
I am 29, have a few breakouts and starting to see some signs of aging. I am so jealous of people that can tolerate retinoids with no problem, I am just too scared of starting again, and I need your help!
I am thinking of starting with Avene retrinal 0.05, for a few months before switching to prescription retin-a. I plan on using it 2x a week, then gradually switch to every other day.
My biggest question is about using a barrier repair product with it. So here is the dilemma... Since retinoids thin the epidermis to get to the dermis to work, does a barrier repair cream (with ceramides and niacinamide) "undo" the work of the retinoid product. In other words, since the retina needs to thin the first layer, are we making its job harder by building it up again? |
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Thu Sep 24, 2015 7:43 am |
| Also, has anyone used the Avene Retrinal 0.05 or 0.1? |
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Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:05 am |
Okay a few things. Firstly you say two years ago retinoid left you with dehydrated and super sensitive skin and older looking skin – well why the hell would you choose to do that to yourself again? It is crazy is something gives you adverse reactions to torture yourself by doing it again. It may be that retinoid’s don’t agree with your skin.
Secondly Retin A is a prescription medicine and depending on what strength you use – it is only a matter of time before you get adverse reactions. These will far outway what you have experienced already and should only be done working with a professional. I see so many youngsters (and I’m double your age and then some) trying to self medicate or following others routines on these boards and ending up with terrible side effects.
Now Retin A and Retinoids are different. Yes both do thin the epidermis but Retin A is stronger. Now a barrier repair cream – won’t impact the skin and undo the work – but you want to use it sensibly. Retin A doesn’t “need” to thin the skin – it is simply part of the reaction of using it. It isn’t such a bad thing, as in thinning the outer layer, it encourages and increases cellular turnover in the deeper derma layers. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2015 7:44 am |
Thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I am working alongside a dermatologist who suggested starting with an OTC retinol first, but I am still scared a bit of using it as of my previous experience and other horror stories about retin-a.
Will give it a try, with a barrier repair cream, fingers crossed it works. |
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Fri Sep 25, 2015 8:36 am |
Well its important to clarify that they are different things, although they eventually achieve the same results. Retinoids need longer to deliver the results that Retin A can. They work differently and so trying to judge it against each other is a pointless exercise. Likewise, look at what happened when you used your first time, often times its easy to locate an event or happening (like illness or moving house) that could have triggered adverse side effects. Retin A and Retinoids do not dehydrate the skin – but they can reveal a skin that’s very dehydrated.
Thank you very much for your reply. Yes, I am working alongside a dermatologist who suggested starting with an OTC retinol first, but I am still scared a bit of using it as of my previous experience and other horror stories about retin-a.
Will give it a try, with a barrier repair cream, fingers crossed it works. |
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Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:59 pm |
I used eluage and diacneal for awhile. They are pretty gentle.
I had super sensitive skin too. What really works and is really gentle is short contact therapy. I swear I get similar peeling and firming and glow to regular application but way less redness, dryness and edema.
Retin a .025 is pretty gentle if you leave it on for a few minutes, wash your face and build up...
For whatever reason, I find SCT does not produce that layer of swelling and serious irritation that leaving it on all night does. |
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Sun Sep 27, 2015 1:43 pm |
I am fine with Avene Diacneal (original formula) and Avene Eulage cream. The cream is very moisturizing so I use it under the eyes and on my neck.
I want to try the reformulated Avene Diacneal.
I used Green Cream and had major irritation. It took months to calm down.
I suggest go slow. I would start with once a week and work up to nightly. I would patch test an area. If you had problems with Avene before maybe another type of exfoliate? It could be the retinaldehyde or something else. |
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Canadian with fair skin. 50+ years old sensitive and reactive. |
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Thu Nov 19, 2015 4:41 pm |
| I couldn't cope with Retin A at all, much too harsh. Read Dr Des Fernandes on Retinyl Palmitate. He says the long-term results are good, it's the most common form of vitamin A in our skin and it's much less irritating. I've been using Dermae Anti-wrinkle Vitamin A Retinyl Palmitate Creme and it doesn't irritate me at all. |
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