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Mon May 02, 2005 11:58 pm  |
Hi All
About 2 years ago when on holiday I noticed a few red lumps appearing on my body. At first I thought that they were just mozi bites as they were itchy, but as they continued to appear for a few days after I got home I realised that they were not bites.
These lumps were getting larger and larger (they did look like ringworm as they were circular) That weekend I went to Portugal for a weekend with my girlfriends (so ended up segregating all my stuff from the girls just incase it was ringworm...yuk!) and these lumps were agonising.
Anyway, got back home and went to see the doctor about them, he said that I had a very severe allergic reaction to something. At the time I couldn't pin point it.....
They eventually went down, so I forgot about them. The following year on holiday I noticed that after a couple of days these lumps started to appear again - so I kinda guessed it must be the suncreams...
So yesterday I put some suncream on (the 3rd different make) and low and behold I have a lump appearing!!
Does anyone know of suncreams that are good for people with allergies to them? I have tried Boots the Chemist own make, Simple, and Variosun?
Cheers
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Mabsy
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Tue May 03, 2005 3:19 am |
| Are the three sunblocks you used all chemical sunblocks? People with allergies to sunblocks tend to do better with the physical sunblocks (titanium dioxide and zinc oxide based) although there are people that are allergic to both. |
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Tue May 03, 2005 7:49 am |
Cheeks,
I think, if you can, look at the ingredients list of all 3 previous sunscreens so we can see if there are some common stuff in all of them. Sometimes, people are allergic to other stuff in the sunscreen rather than the sunscreen actives themselves. |
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Tue May 03, 2005 10:48 am |
Hi
thanks for your replies - Mabsy I would think that they are all chemical sunscreens. Do you know of the make of the physical sunblocks - I would like to give them a try.
Bad Bird - I could also try to compare ingredients, the only trouble is that the list is soooo long on them it's where to start!!
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Tue May 03, 2005 2:09 pm |
Cheeks,
I'm just worried that if you are allergic to a non-sunscreen active, your changing to a physical sunscreen may not help if the physical sunscreen contains that very ingredient.
I suppose the only way would be to try a physical and see what happens. The best of course would be to get something labelled "hypoallergenic".
How about trying something from Avene? Look for zinc oxide or titanium dioxide. Boots may even have their own physical ones. They actually came up with their own UVA rating.  |
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Wed May 04, 2005 5:36 pm |
Bad Bird, how do you actually rate the Avene sunscreen? I 've noticed you take a big interest. I quite like it, but I'm unsure about the physical sunscreen they use especially as the 50 block says SPF50, but only 10A. These are the the first 4 ingredients (including the block).
cyclomethicone decyl oleate
octyl silylated titanium dioxide
alkyl benzoate
zinc oxide |
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Wed May 04, 2005 6:45 pm |
Hi Molly,
I actually like the Avene for their orange-packaged sunscreens, which contain Tinosorb. Physical sunscreens to me are not very different from one brand to another, but I like the Avene one for the UVA rating. A PPD15 rating is recommended for daily wear, so a PPD10 for the physical sunscreen is not too bad. UVA ratings are different from SPF, and is very important. |
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Wed May 04, 2005 7:22 pm |
| Bad Bird, I keep eyeing the orange packs too as Avene products generally suit me, but I have no idea what the UVA rating means. PPD? Can you explain? Thanks - M |
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:40 am |
PPD - Persistant Pigment Darkening. Without going into too techy stuff, roughly they sort of measure how much UVA energy is needed to produce the first perceptible pigment change.
UVA rays are the rays that cause photoaging. A lot of sunscreens protect against UVA but not UVA, and worse, are not photostable. Tinosorb is not only photostable, but very effective in the UVA spectrum.
Yes, I would definitely recommend the orange packs since Avene suits you! Look for one that has a rating of 15 and above if you are as paranoid as me. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 8:50 am |
| I really am liking the SkinCeuticals Physical Defense SPF 30. It is a physical sunblock with micronized zinc (so no weird white look) and titanium dioxide. All the chemical ones make me break out. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 9:39 am |
| Yes, it is an excellent physical screen in terms of texture. Unfortunately, it doesn't have much UVA protection, both in terms of spectrum and amount of protection. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 10:50 am |
Bad Bird,
What do you think about this sunscreen?
IPD 95 - PPD 28
INGREDIENTS INCI: Aqua, Octocrylene, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Cyclohexasiloxane, Propylene Glycol, Titanium Dioxide, Isocetyl Stearate, Cetyl Dimethicone Copolyol, Cyclopentasiloxane, Drometrizole Trisiloxane, Aluminum Starch Octenylsuccinate, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid, Triethanolamine, Acetylated Glycol Stearate, Capryloyl Glycine, Dimethiconol, Disodium EDTA, Methylparaben, Parfum, Polyglyceryl -4 Isostearate, Propylparaben, |
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Thu May 05, 2005 1:14 pm |
Faith,
This must be a La Roche Posay sunscreen (or one of the companies under the Loreal parent company), since I can see both Mexoryl SX (Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid) and XL (Drometrizole Trisiloxane) in it. 
La Roche sunscreens are one of the best around in terms of protection. Highly recommended. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 1:24 pm |
| What is wrong with skinceuticals physical protection? explain... |
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Extremely fair/sensitive skin(mild rosacea)that burns very easy.acne is rare/skin is dry.27 years old. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 1:28 pm |
| Also, i tried checking out the la roche website..everything is in french..where can i find this info in english? |
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Thu May 05, 2005 1:42 pm |
Hi Purpleturtle,
You can try http://www.laroche-posay.us but I'm afraid you will not find anything on the Anthelios range of sunscreens because Mexoryl has not been approved for use in the US yet.
Re the SkinCeuticals sunscreen ... no, nothing's wrong with it. Just that in terms of UVA protection, it is inadequate, but better than not using sunscreen at all. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 4:17 pm |
| Try Dr Hauschka...they use natural ingredients that doesn't sink into the skin, therefor you can put it on and it's effective immedietly (no need to wait 30 min before getting into the sun), it's very water resistant too (I used the one for Children when I went swimming with dolphins and it lasted all day!...but the children one leaves a white film on your face...), maybe start with the sun care stick, it's pretty inexpensive and handy and you'll know if you're allergic to it or not. |
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Thu May 05, 2005 7:31 pm |
| Bad Bird wrote: |
Faith,
This must be a La Roche Posay sunscreen (or one of the companies under the Loreal parent company), since I can see both Mexoryl SX (Terephthalylidene Dicamphor Sulfonic Acid) and XL (Drometrizole Trisiloxane) in it.
La Roche sunscreens are one of the best around in terms of protection. Highly recommended. |
Bad Bird,
You are amazing!! It is La Roche Posay...I'm going to give it a try, along with the Avene, and pray that I have found my HG in one of them 
For anyone who is interested in La Roche Posay or Avene online, you can get them atwww.beautytarget.com |
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Fri May 06, 2005 11:16 am |
| happyhippie wrote: |
| Try Dr Hauschka...they use natural ingredients that doesn't sink into the skin, therefor you can put it on and it's effective immedietly (no need to wait 30 min before getting into the sun), it's very water resistant too (I used the one for Children when I went swimming with dolphins and it lasted all day!...but the children one leaves a white film on your face...), maybe start with the sun care stick, it's pretty inexpensive and handy and you'll know if you're allergic to it or not. |
I just read the inactive ingredients in the list...3rd ingredient is alcohol...i wouldn't put that on my skin if my life depended on it:/ |
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Fri May 06, 2005 8:31 pm |
| Okay Bad Bird, I'm confused - How do you tell the Skin Ceuticals one doesn't have good coverage? The literature says it is broad-spectrum UVA/UVB protection. 290-380 nanometers coverage range. It says UVA II full coverage, UVB full coverage, UVA I coverage from 340-380 nm (20nm short of full coverage.) What am I missing here? What is good coverage? Who makes a physical sunblock with better coverage on both spectrums? Is there a sunscreen primer on an old thread? |
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Fri May 06, 2005 8:56 pm |
| I've talked to many people with knowledge on sunscreen..and all of them always say skinceuticals makes the best of the best. I myself am a bit curious because I've been trying to read my sunscreen box and tube so see any info i might be missing..but it definitely says true broad uva/uvb protection... |
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Fri May 06, 2005 10:10 pm |
Broad spectrum does not mean adequate protection. It is like the difference between SPF 10 and SPF 30. Yes, it covers the spectrum to 380nm, but how much cover are we talking about? If I were to use the European UVA protection rating PPD, then the SkinCeuticals PPD rating is only about 8. This is not adequate, in my opinion, to protect adequately from cumulative photoaging.
SkinCeuticals' Physical SPF30 sunscreen is a lot better than most US sunscreens because it is photostable. The problem with micronised minerals is that protection across the UV spectrum depends on the particle size. The SkinCeuticals one is better than most because it at least covers you till 380nm (but inadequately).
So, taking into account the amount of UVA protection, and no coverage up to 400nm, this sunscreen is no fight against the La Roche Posay's ones, or any other sunscreens containing Tinosorb. |
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Sat May 07, 2005 4:26 am |
Sorry for the late reply - crazy deadlines have kept me from logging on since Tues! 
There are plenty of phisical sunblocks on the market. You could try Skinceuticals Physical UV Defense.... Maybe see if you can find a salon that stocks it and then just apply some and see what happens (hopefully nothing ).
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Hi
thanks for your replies - Mabsy I would think that they are all chemical sunscreens. Do you know of the make of the physical sunblocks - I would like to give them a try.
Bad Bird - I could also try to compare ingredients, the only trouble is that the list is soooo long on them it's where to start!!
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Tue May 10, 2005 5:19 am |
Hi BadBird,
so you'll be recommending suncreens with Tinosorb for good UVA and UVB protection?
Besides LRP and Avene, what other photostable suncreens would you recommend for both the face and body?
Also I am wondering, being the lazy gal that I am, is there like a suncreen which I can use on my body as well as on my face? Most body-use suncreens seem to be too rich for the face and cause breakouts. Or its best to keep them separate?
Thanks! |
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Tue May 10, 2005 5:36 am |
| Bad Bird wrote: |
| Yes, it is an excellent physical screen in terms of texture. Unfortunately, it doesn't have much UVA protection, both in terms of spectrum and amount of protection. |
Are you talking about the Skinceuticals one? Could you provide more info please on what you're basing your statement on and exactly which sunblock you're talking about? Thanks
Cheeks - btw, have a look at http://www.geocities.com/sunscreen_review2/ and click on "sensitive skin" that might give you some other ideas of good SPFs for sensitive skin. |
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