Quasar SP Rave!!!!!
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Wed Dec 13, 2006 9:45 am

To All---I was encouraged to start this thread for the Quasar SP by Scalawaggirl and AnnieR since I have been using this unit for sometime. Wink

Thank you ladies and I hope this will help others in their use of this unit to get the results they deserve!!

I have been using the Quasar SP for a month now and I can honestly say I am getting great results!! (used the Baby Q for about 3 weeks prior). I have a routine using the IE products when I do this and it is truly amazing! I started using it on a clean dry face after the application of the IE foaming facial toner that has a base of aloe (which all IE products are aloe based and no water)with other indgredients and also has witch hazel in it. The last couple of times I have been experimenting using the IE squalane oil and I must say this is working well--it gives slip while moving the wand and it increases hydration as I do this. After the treatment I apply the Blueberry Fusion mask for 10-20 min. depending on time and then rinse off and apply the IE Souffle, Edelweis serum and AA serum, the eye duo and lastly the moisturizer. I do not regret the amount of money I have spent on this unit. I loved Baby Q but wanted double the power with less time to do the treatment. Advanced Therapeutics were gracious enough to swap me for the upgrade and I received it very quickly!! I am going to post my results again on the IE board soon after I do a couple more treatments using the squalane---BUT, so far so good!! My face is much firmer, nose to mouth lines are deminishing greatly and eye lift is very much apparent. I've always had good skin but this really gives me GREAT skin. The company does give a 60 day money back guarentee--You will know within that time if this unit will work for you. Furthermore, I have to admit too that the Ice Elements products are quite unique and well worth trying if you are in need for simple but innovative and progressive skin care line. HTH!! Smile

Addie (aka buffy) on IE Boards.

free skin care · Fri Dec 15, 2006 4:41 pm

Got mine in today, and so far as I can tell, thumbs up. A big win on the user-friendly side. So much easier and faster to use, slides across the skin easier, covers more space, etc. Longer cord so I don't have to drag out an extension cord for couch-potato using and I love the cone for concentration on problem areas. My face is instantly smoother and more even-toned and I can tell a postive result from just one use.
On the downside, the botox I got a month ago is completely gone, not happy about that. Plus my restylane is almost none existant, so don't make the mistake of using it in those areas, VERY EXPENSIVE NO-NO. That cost as much as my Baby Q had and although the Baby Q had helped diminish the results, I can tell the SP is so much stronger. (I did talk with James about that problem.)
To balance that out, I hope that I won't need the botox and restylane anymore. There is a tiny line in the corner of my mouth I am trying to eradicate, which I where I get my resty at.
So overall, I'm a happy camper and looking forward to trying it on my hubby when he returns.

free skin care · Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:28 am

PocoLoco wrote:

Hmmm. It's surprising that no training manuals are being sent out with the SP.

Can people who are using the SP please post their routine? Thankyou. Smile

Hi Everyone:

It has been brought to my attention that the manuals were absent from orders placed. Not sure why, either way I am fixing it Smile

Thanks for your patience and I am working as fast as possible to rectify.

In the meantime, here is the general response I have sent to a few to answer some questions in the meantime. You have most-likely seen something similar before in the other thread, but just in case:

Give me a call and we can go over specifics if you like. Below is the general guideline for the Anti-Aging treatment. I, and all of us here, will work with any of our customers on fine-tuning the process to help you produce the best result. Everyone responds differently to cosmetics, light therapy, microderm, etc.

First Mode - Green Light - Continuous Wave (Lights do not pulsate) <- Most powerful mode
Second Mode - Orangish Green Light - Low Frequency (Lights pulse "slowly")
Third Mode - Red Light - High Frequency (Light pulse too fast for the human eye to see)

Always turn off the unit before unplugging.

Many people skip low frequency, and that is o.k. If you decide to skip low frequency, you are going to begin with using 1. High Frequency on the first pass, and then 2. Continuous Wave on the second pass, and 3. Continuous Wave with the concentrating cone. You may skip low frequency as you were already using the Baby Quasar.

Since there are "problem" areas you may be looking to really knock out, call me and we can go over some other specifics.

Anti-Aging (Quasar SP)

Daily Treatments (recommended)
If you currently have a "system" that is working well for you, continue.
Popular products:
1. Hyaluronic Acid Serum (8% or higher)
2. Gentle daily exfoliating serum like IceElements 2 Minute Miracle

It is recommended that you exfoliate your face before performing the treatment and make sure the skin is clean of any left over product before beginning.

Light Treatments (between 6-8 days)
First 2 or 3 Light Treatments
There are three modes on the AdvanThera Quasar SP.
* Remember, the wand, when told to move, should never be lifted from the skin. It should lay gently and glide gently.
Look at the instruction manual on how the face is broken into 6 sections
- Section 1 - Person's Left Forehead
- Section 2 - Person's Left side from temple area to where the jaw conjoins and over towards the bridge of nose
- Section 3 - Person's Left jaw to chin and mouth/lips
- Section 4 - Person's Right jaw to chin and mouth/lips
- Section 5 - Person's Right side from where the jaw conjoins and over towards the bridge of the nose and to the temple area
- Section 6 - Person's Right Forehead

First Pass
Take the head of the wand and start in Section 1 of the face (left forehead)
We are going to begin on the second mode (pulsing mode)
Each section will break down to "mini" sections. Following the below technique, you will notice that going in a "wave" direction, you will have a total of approximately 4 "mini" sections
- The total of Section 1 should be treated for 4 minutes
- Start between the brows or slightly to the left
- Starting from between the brow, keep the head on the area for about 20 seconds (without moving)
- Going in a straight line from the brow to the hair line, now move the bottom of the wand to where the middle of the wand was
- Stay there for 20 seconds
- Again, in a straight line, move to the top of the forehead and the hairline. The bottom of the head should be approximately where the top of the head was when beginning
- Stay there for 20 seconds
"Mini" section 1 is complete
- Now you are going to move to "mini" section 2.
- Moving the wand further to the left, you will be overlapping from the first "mini" section you just did
- The right side of the wand should be in the middle of where the wand just was at the top of your forehead
You are now going to repeat the same steps as above, moving down
Then, you will move to the left again, and repeat

You are going to repeat this practice on your entire face for each section and "mini" section.
*Remember:
- You stay in place for about 20 seconds before moving the wand, and there should always be overlapping
- You should never be lifting the wand from the skin

Second Pass
Now that the first pass over your face is complete, we are going to move on to the second pass for the treatment
You are going to be following the same technique as described above, but you are now going to use the third mode (high frequency)
It is up to you on the second pass if you want to treat each section for 2 minutes or 4 minutes.
- If you choose 4 minutes, you stay in place for 20 seconds
- If you choose 2 minutes, you stay in place for 10 seconds

Concentrating On Specific Areas
Now that you have completed both passes, it is time to concentrate on the problem areas you are treating with AdvanThera's Concentration Cone. Please place the concentration cone on the SP
We are now going to use the first mode, Continuous wave frequency.
- If you are treating lines on the forehead that may cover from one side to the next, treat each line for about 2 minutes. Treating each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds.
- If you are treating lines from the nostril to the conjoining part of the lips, treat each line for about a minute. Treating each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds.
- If you are treating age or sun spots, keep the concentration on the spots for about 20-30 seconds each.
- If you are treating the lower eye lid, treat each concentrated spot for about 10 seconds

Next 3 up to 6 Light Treatments and so on...

You are now going to do the first pass on the face using the High Frequency (third mode) and the second pass on Continuous Wave (first mode)

CALL ME if you have any questions.

**Note** In lieu of the above technique, others will move in small, slow massaging circles in each section and cover the entire section within the specified time.

Of course, taking a step back in time, there was plenty of question and debate on the use of the Baby Q. If you have questions, just call.

I have told many of you to begin using the aforementioned technique for approximately 3 treatments (or 3 weeks) and contact me regarding your results. We can evaluate together and possibly change your technique, frequency, and routine to manage the best possible results for you. That stands for any and all of our customers.

James Bressi
AdvanThera
P: (800)944-1523
C: (610)999-2668
E: jamesbressi@AdvanThera.com
On The Web at:www.AdvanThera.com

free skin care · Sun Jan 28, 2007 6:09 am

James

I made the assumption that the pointers you provided above would be the "best" examples of research using your device or on LED light therapy.

I went to each of these links, and have been really underwhelmed with the information.

1)A number of these point NOT to studies but articles written in the newletter for a specific device and are not independent. These also are more focused on acne then on skin rejuventation
2)A number of these links document that skin rejuventation is a controversial topic or results for this are not long lasting
3)Some of these links provide just a high level summary from which it is difficult to view the results.

a There does not appear to be scientific studies - double blind on effectiveness.
My Specific interest is in Antiaging and skin rejevenation.

I note the following from one study:
"'Antiaging' Visible red light at 660nm activates ATP in skin cells and increase the rate of production of collagen for a few days, giving a lifting effect. No permanent improvement of skin aging has been demonstrated, but completion of the healing of skin damage does seem to proceed faster.

I do not think that you answered these questions. Could you please answer them with pointer to studies or research or please let us know that you do not have it.

1) Are there any research studies using the Baby Quasar or Quarsar SP for skin rejuventation? If so, please provide the link (NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength)

2)Are there studies documenting the long term impacts on the skin from using LED light therapy?
If so, please provide the specific links.

many thanks

free skin care · Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:40 pm

swissmiss wrote:

I made the assumption that the pointers you provided above would be the "best" examples of research using your device or on LED light therapy.... I was "underwhelmed"

Personal attacks or insinuations will not be tolerated when I am trying to help on my free time. I will assume positive intent and expect that this was not a cocky or condescending comment. Nor will I engage in intellectual prowess contests. As you will see in my post below, I told you I value your tough questions. Again, I will see what else I can find for you. I shot those links under pressure from you to respond sooner.

swissmiss wrote:

1)A number of these point NOT to studies but articles written in the newletter for a specific device and are not independent. These also are more focused on acne then on skin rejuventation

Actually articles written on studies, and yes, some about specific devices using specific wavelengths. I am not going to pick apart every link, and I do hope to offer you more in the near future.

1. Regarding Aging Rejuvenation (red/infrared)
http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(igdlxg45nfx2d555q52wvi45)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,9,11;journal,5,22;linkingpublicationresults,1:300304,1

The above link is a study by Advanced Laser and Dermatologic Surgery Clinics PC, Beaverton, Oregon & Inveresk CRU, Tranent, Edinburgh, UK & University of Liverpool Medical School, Faculty of Medicine, Liverpool, UK

I quote from this reference that "Conclusion. OmniluxTM combination red and near infrared LED therapy represents an effective and acceptable method of photo rejuvenation. Further study to optimize the parameters of treatment is required."

Yes, this is promoting another company's product, but it is Light Treatment that is under question it is seems here. A company that is administering treatment using wavelengths 633nm & 830nm

The point of the study I am speaking of?
To assess the efficacy and local tolerability of combination light therapy in photo rejuvenation of facial skin.

The subjects that helped draw the conclusion?
Subjects with facial rhytids received nine light therapy treatments using the OmniluxTM LED system. The treatments combined wavelengths of 633 nm and 830 nm with fluences of 126 J/cm2 and 66 J/cm2 respectively. Improvements to the skin surface were evaluated at weeks 9 and 12 by profilometry performed on periorbital casts. Additional outcome measures included assessments of clinical photography and patient satisfaction scores.

This is based on their technique and device. Again, the ambiguity circulating Light Therapy has many factors. Skin Types, Wavelengths, "Power", technique, topical ointments (further complicating), and AGAIN, the list goes on once we get to the actual technilogical manufacturing of these devices and how wavelengths (when multiple are involved) add even more variables.

Their results?
Results. Key profilometry results Sq, Sa, Sp and St showed significant differences at week 12 follow-up; 52% of subjects showed a 25%–50% improvement in photoaging scores by week 12; 81% of subjects reported a significant improvement in periorbital wrinkles on completion of follow-up.

Again, results may be better or worse depending on what I mentioned above "technilogical manufacturing..." Some devices will perform better than others.

swissmiss wrote:

2)A number of these links document that skin rejuventation is a controversial topic or results for this are not long lasting

You are correct, sort of. Light Therapy is the controversial topic in rejuvenating skin that you are referencing, but their are many other device, treatments and such that do rejuvenate skin.

Why is Light Therapy so controversial? Lack of study that abide by FDA guideline. Absolutely. How about because it is natural (and you can't patent natural), and there are unique ways some in the medical field are trying to use Light Therapy to make it medical only? This paragraph can only go down a controversial path that I will choose to not engage. Estheticians and Cosmetologists are all too familiar with what I am referencing.

As far as "not long lasting", neither is the results you get from working out when you stop. Light Therapy will not permanently rejuvenate your skin. Disciplined use should help to prevent further damage and help heal damage that has already been done. Permanent or long lasting would be an odd assumption as "if I work out with XYZ abdominal workout machine, achieve a 'six-pack' and stop using it, I will lose my six-pack?"

swissmiss wrote:

3)Some of these links provide just a high level summary from which it is difficult to view the results.

I apologize for not meeting your expectations. Like I said, in my post, there are many names and ways to search for the studies, etc. that are very consuming, which is why I hope there will one day be a consortium, etc. that can help us all.

Please help us all and let's get all the best data, research, and information available, and I will be more than happy to maintain this on the internet for everyone who is as interested in Light Therapy as we all are. We have been working on this for many months, and have been thanked by quite a few that feel we simply the research process.

swissmiss wrote:

a There does not appear to be scientific studies - double blind on effectiveness.

I am with you. More needs to be done, to support the results that many report. There has been the "GentleWaves" FDA Approved double blind study to prove efficacy in treating periorbital rhytids (wrinkles), but I don't find this to be enough. I'm sure their device as it stands can do much more than what claims they are making. It can treat periorbital, but no where else? I'll bet it treats much more than just periorbital. Again, me promoting someone else's device! Why? They are a quality manufacturer and we respect and LOVE that. Anything to further Light Therapy.

Money is a big factor. Until big companies swoop in when they see Light Therapy as a viable enough addition to their line, they will wait for the market and interest to build itself and let the smaller companies incur the cost and resources associated. If this was a perfect world, their would be easy access to funding to further this research and do studies, and I am hoping that Light Therapy is heading in that direction with the increase in exposure and reports from doctors and patients alike of the benefits. There has been some funding provided for the use of Light Therapy in studies, but among all the other needs for funding, it becomes a microscopic priority.

swissmiss wrote:

I note the following from one study:
"'Antiaging' Visible red light at 660nm activates ATP in skin cells and increase the rate of production of collagen for a few days, giving a lifting effect. No permanent improvement of skin aging has been demonstrated, but completion of the healing of skin damage does seem to proceed faster.

I think this is a great thing! Again, back to the working out analogy. Stop working out = lose results.

swissmiss wrote:

1) Are there any research studies using the Baby Quasar or Quarsar SP for skin rejuventation? If so, please provide the link (NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength)

Only independent studies that are not published. Of course we are working published studies that prove efficacy.

When you say "NOT to studies you say are using the same wavelength", I find that confusing.

To make Libby's 100% Pure Pumpkin Pie: Mix 1&1/2 cups of sugar, 1tsp. salt, 2tsp. ground cinnamon, 1tsp. ground ginger, 1/2 tsp. ground cloves in a small bowl. Beat 4 eggs in a large bowl. Stir in pumpkin and sugar-spice mixture. Gradually stir in evaporated milk. Pour into pie shells. Bake in preheated 425 degree oven for 15 minutes. Reduce temperature to 350 degrees; bake for 40-50 minutes. Cool for 2 hours.

Now if you have all the same ingredients, could you question the result or findings?

Now a tougher question is "James, your company supports pulsing light. You have something called SequePulse. Why do you think that is better than all the other continuous wave devices on the market". This would be like arguing the technique used to make the best tasting pumpkin pie.

Now, everyone, so you know. I love pumpkin pie. So if you could help me out there, PM me Smile

[quote="swissmiss"]
2)Are there studies documenting the long term impacts on the skin from using LED light therapy?
If so, please provide the specific links. [quote="swissmiss"]
Simply, No. But, understanding what Light Therapy does, promotes healing, etc., and with no reported long term impacts, this is a hard question to answer. The logical answers sounds like NO, there are no long term side effects, just like you should use sunscreen every day.

swissmiss wrote:

I also want to say that I was one click away from a purchase but it is a lot of money. I could not find research on my own, so that is why I turned to you James, knowing the company would be able to point me to the information.

Swissmiss, that is why we are a confident company in our product. We are one of the few Professional Light Therapy (in fact I think we are the ONLY in the professional market) that promote the fact that we will give you a trial period that will provide a full refund and no restocking fees as long as you kept the unit in new condition. Everyone else, it is final sale. Why do we do this? We want our customers to be happy, and Light Therapy is not always for everyone. We know this.

swissmiss wrote:

It seems there is benefit for pain, blue light some help for acne, but can not find from the research you provided, support for skin rejuvenation.

many thanks

Swissmiss, I will work harder for you and find more. We have plenty of links and info etc. We do not hide who we are because we believe in the treatment and our products. If I ever doubted our practice, device, or Light Therapy, I would not live a lie. I would leave in that situation and make sure to remove myself as far from that situation as possible.

I value your tough questions. Again, I will see what else I can find for you. I shot those links under pressure from you to respond sooner. Ultimately, this is an emerging and controversial treatment, just like chiropractic services a few decades ago, and many, many, others that now continue to provide so many benefits to their recipients.

Lastly, and I cannot say it enough. I trust others more than I trust anything else. Everyone who has added their praise, problems, or anything else are and were in no way compensated. Look at what they say and help draw conclusions.

I must ask one burning question. I provide my personal email, cell phone, and many other ways to contact me directly. Why haven't you done so?

Take Care Everyone!
James Bressi
AdvanThera
P: 800.944.1523
C: 610.999.2668
E: jamesbressi@AdvanThera.com
On The Web:www.AdvanThera.com

free skin care · Wed Jan 31, 2007 8:37 am

TheresaL wrote:

AnnieR-I suppose there could be a link to the studies that I am wondering about. I have for the most part followed the BQ thread and don't recall there being such a link but I may have missed it. I think there are links for the Gentle Waves studies and maybe the NASA studies which from what I saw were on wound healing.

I wish there were a way to search within a thread and have the search go right to the relevant post!

AnnieR I feel so stupid but I have found a better way to search for something in a long thread. When you do your search check "display results as posts" instead of "display results as threads". You still can't search within a thread but if you use the right search terms it pulls up the actually post and you don't need to go through an entire thread like the BQ one. You may already know this though! And I thought I knew how to do searches!!

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