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Wed Feb 06, 2008 8:27 pm  |
Cupping is a sort of vacuum massage technique that can be applied to face and body that results in skin tightening!!!
While discussing skin care issues on thread http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=27679&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
The participants started a very interesting discussion on Cupping that deserves a thread on its own. I am transferring some posts from the thread into this one.
Those familiar with Cupping please share your experiences!!!
| Eleni wrote: |
Iīm new to this forum, so hello to everybody. This topic is just my concern. Exfoliation is tricky for me, my skin always reacts producing more skin cells. I had a bad reaction after using Vitamin A-Peels in my teens. 
What really gives me a glowing healthy skin is massage. I do some cupping every morning. Cupping is an old technique and itīs like a soft workout for skin and face muscles. It provides good hydration and circulation. I use a little device called vaculifter, but plain cupping glasses work as well. The French have a "Well-Box" designed for the same purpose - not so cheap, but it works.  |
| MACrisis wrote: |
You do CUPPING on your face???  Aren't you afraid getting broken caps??? |
| Eleni wrote: |
@ MACrisis: Itīs actually very soft and the manufacturer even recommends it for the prevention if broken veins. It strengthens the skin, the connecting tissue and promotes microcirculation.
Iīve been "cupping" every morning in the last 5 years and it gave me back 10 years. You use it with oil and for me itīs part of the OCM in the morning. It tightens pores, cleans them out and fights sagging skin. Some independent tests proved that it visibly reversed lines around the mouth and between the eyes. Sounds odd, but cupping is very popular in Germany. 
(I often think: my gosh, give Mrs. Merkel a Vaculifter!!!  ) |
| lunarmm wrote: |
Interesting, there is a video on the Vaculifter site but to me it looks like she is using it without having a true vacuum suction as I see her lifting it up and not resucking the vacuum:
http://vaculifter.eu/en/index.php?PHPSESSID=tofqgg3t8vgofi1be361r95po7
They do say you must use with oil to get the gliding effect.
I'm interested in learning more as I remember how everyone was freaking out about the Dermaroller initially and now many people are using it (including bigger and bigger needles!). |
| Eleni wrote: |
The videos on that site are horrible. The vaculifter does softly pull in skin and tissues. Just like a mild cupping. Itīs a massage and skin is left comfortable, healthy and glowing.
German actress Christine Kaufmann gives a different instruction than the video. She uses it for decongesting the lymphs and activating accupuncture-points (f. e. "The third eye"). She starts just under the ears (lymph-knots) and works from eye to ear and around the mouth with round movements. Sheīs 63, not lifted or botoxed and she uses that device. (She really does, I met her ). She looks great. 60 is the new 40! 
christinekaufmann.net |
| mpstat wrote: |
| What is CUPPING, and where I can get more info on it? Thanks! |
| mpstat wrote: |
Thank you lunarmm! I did see it done, but did not know that it is called cupping It is done usually for people that have some sort of cold, cough. And it is applied to patient's back.
If I remember correctly cups leave dark purplish round spots. Those spots gradually disappear over the course of days if not weeks. Is it possible to do cupping on the face????  |
| lunarmm wrote: |
It seems interesting. This is the first time I've heard of facial cupping but it seems it does exist. It seems to be most popular in Germany. Oil is used on the skin to facilitate the moving of the cups.
In addition to the previous link I posted to the Vaculift website which has a video, I found two videos of facial cupping on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsihv_nNxeU
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O9EVhrIFJWU |
| mpstat wrote: |
lunarmm - thank you so much!!!
OK This is not traditional cupping, but rather a new vacuum massage technique for the face and body. It is so interesting!
| Eleni wrote: |
| ... Iīve been "cupping" every morning in the last 5 years and it gave me back 10 years. You use it with oil and for me itīs part of the OCM in the morning. It tightens pores, cleans them out and fights sagging skin. Some independent tests proved that it visibly reversed lines around the mouth and between the eyes. Sounds odd, but cupping is very popular in Germany. |
Eleni, which device are you using...can you please tell us more on your cupping experience??? Thanks!
Maybe it even deserves a thread of its own. If you start a new thread, please post a link here so we can migrate to the new Cupping thread for Cupping discussion. |
| MACrisis wrote: |
I have a set of Cupping tools which includes 9 different size plastic cups. I use it on my neck, shoulders, back, thighs, butts........... everywhere but my face. Maybe it's time to try. 
I'll ask my husband to get me the vaculift next time he goes to Germany. |
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| mpstat wrote: |
| Where did you get the set?? Thanks! |
I went to a Traditional Chinese Scraping / Cupping Massage class about a year ago in L.A. and I bought it from my instructor. In the class we learn scraping our face but not cupping. China Town and Korean Town should have them.
I tried mine last night. I used the smallest cup (2mm) but it won't stick to my face. Check this out, I think I'm going to buy one.
http://www.massagecupping.com/equipmentandproducts.htm Go down and you'll see one set called Facial Micro-Cup Set. 4 cups for $25. |
| autumnApple wrote: |
| Wow! I never thought of cupping for face. Thank you Eleni for sharing this. I'm going to look into it. Love the idea of improving circulation for our delicate facial skin. |
| Eleni wrote: |
Yourīso kind. Thank you for your replies. I thought everybody would laugh out loud or shrug their shoulders... What I like about this forum is that beauties from around the world share their experiences. And itīs so interesting.
The word "cupping" sounds like an ancient torture-method, doesnīt it? The word we use is much gentler: "Schröpfen". (If you can pronounce "Hauschka" you can pronouce "Schröpfen")  .
Cupping is an old healing technique, applied in Traditional Chinese medicine and many other cultures. It encourages the body`s self-healing abilities. The vaculifter Iīve been using with astonishing results was developed by a naturopath. Itīs a combination of mild cupping (no bruises, no red spots or anything) and vacuum-massage (as used sucessfully for cellulite treatments). Itīs safe to use on face and decolletage. Even around the eyes. I am very sensitive, my skin tolerates nothing, but the vaculift never gave me any problem.
Itīs like a work-out for facial muscles. When you start excercising you can see results on your body: better conturing, straightening and so on. Likewise cupping provides a visible lifting effect on your face. And it enhances circulation, skin cells are nourished from within, the hydration level increases.
I canīt link, cause Iīm a new member. Some of my friends use these vacuum balloons as seen on you tube. I use the vaculifter-device because itīs safer and easier to apply. You can regulate the vacuum-pressure. You can buy it in every pharmacy here.  50 Euro and it lasts for years. |
| Frodo wrote: |
I find the cupping topic very interesting. Learn something new everyday. Wish someone would start a topic on cupping and see if the moderators could move the posts there pertaining to cupping.
The Vaculifter looks like the easiest to use IMO. Although I haven't spent much time reviewing the other products. |
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Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:43 pm |
| Dia wrote: |
hi all,
I have a little machine for cupping.
dermakuur.nl/winkel.htm
hope the link works.
There is a video in german and english.
It is realy gives the face a healthy look.
regards
Dia |
@ Dia:  That blue one is the one Iīve been using for at least five years. Every morning. I feel congested and swollen and tired if I donīt. .
I find it easy to use and if used correctly you donīt stretch or harm your skin.
@ SuzieQ: I wouldnīt dare to use cupping glasses (but some of my friends do). The vaculifter is safe, it has build-in valves for controlling pressure (Sorry, I hope I get the words right. It is so difficult in a foreign language.). You use oil unterneath.
I canīt say what I will be looking like in 10 years, but 5 years vaculifting made my skin definitely tighter, clearer and finer. Wrinkles I had are visibly diminished. E.G. nasolabial or lines between eyebrows. I was convinced of the device after meeting a lady of 85 looking like 65. She had some wrinkles and lines, but great contures and her skin was rosy and peachy. She looked fresh and beautyful and I thought: itīs not wrinkles that make you look weary and old, itīs loosing the shape of your chin, the sagging and loosing skinīs vibrancy. Sagging, crumpling and lacklustre skin are somehow prevented and reversed. As I said independent studies have proved visible results in a few weeks. I had results after 3 weeks.
@ Scotlassie : I have only one - the all-pupose 2 cm basic vaculifter. I use it on face, throat and decolletage, around the eyes, on upper lips for boosting and on my arms. Even when my neck is distorted. I think itīs sales marketing to imply you have to buy four different types. Maybe a special vaculifter for the body is o.k. if you fight cellulite. But 4? One costs about 50 VAT included. 20 for shipping - thats hard.  |
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Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:13 pm |
| mpstat--I use the wellbox three times a week. I started to see results after about 6 weeks. I do want to stress that (1) I have good skin, (2)I didn't have a lot of cellulite and (3) it wasn't the cottage cheese looking cellulite (more of a light dimpling). I don't know how it would work on someone with poor elasticity and/or a lot of cellulite. The machine is a lot of money, but was worth it to me. The area around my knees has bugged me for many years. I have also found the wellbox to be great for massaging sore muscles and relieving tension. Hope this helps. |
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Sat Mar 29, 2008 8:01 am |
I have been using FACIAL MICRO-CUP SET and it works fine. The only minus that the part of the cups that being inserted into the pump is short and the cups might get disconnected from the pump easily. A workaround for it is to support the cup with the fingers of the second hand. Once I figured it out, I did not see any other problems, and using both hands gives more control for cupping.
I have not used it long enough to see skin tightening results, in addition my skin is pretty tight. I use it as a massage after FE and they compliment each other nicely. The skin after cupping feels warm,and looks rosy. I like it, and feel that there is value to cupping. |
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Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:28 pm |
Hi Toby,
TT is telegraphic transfer from your bank to theirs. Its a bit of a hassle - I'm still waiting to hear from the seller that she has received the money. I originally wanted to buy from Vaculift's website, I ordered the product from them and they have the same system, you have to buy using TT. However, they wouldn't give me the name of their bank and the account name and my bank wouldn't send the money without this info. They gave me their bank account numbers and said it was all I needed but my bank wanted this other info - maybe its just something that banks in Australia need. Anyway, I couldn't get the money to go through so I ended up purchasing from Ebay. Because I had to use TT it cost me a further AUD$24.00 - big hassle. The postage cost EUR 18.00
I only bought the 2cm cup size for starters. |
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Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:46 am |
For those that are interested in ordering the vaculift there are some people on ebay in Germany using paypal
This is a message I got from one last night(in English).
Toby
no problem to order the Vaculifter - I accept Paypal and shipping cost are 12,00Euro - this is the answer without using a translator )
best regards
Stefanie
- katerlady2002 |
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Thu May 15, 2008 8:17 pm |
I have posted about my zeal over the vaculift and gotten numerous emails from people wanting information for ordering with paypal from Germany and now Nanci. I know of about 5 people that I have gotten emails from that have ordered. i ordered from Germany and got them in 5-6 days. After I starting using mine I email Nanci because I felt like it was such a great product that she might be interested in carrying it. AS you now know she has gotten the rights to supply them in the USA. I LOVE them, I have three different sizes and wish I had the fourth. They are very easy to use and feel so good on the skin. AS far as results, it gets my face awake in the morning and I am noticing some thickening of the skin. On the cellulite it is killer It is making a big difference. One of the advantages is it is easy, and fun to do...... so I do it. I haven't been motivated to use other things but this one is different. I am really sorry that someone's got lost  Getting an extra one will more than make up for the loss! |
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Sat May 17, 2008 9:15 am |
I've used both cupping systems, the vaculift and the one sold by http://www.ib3health.com/products/SuctionCupping/FacialCupping.shtml. The vaculift is definitely superior in ease of use and suction power, so be very careful with the vaculift. I feels it's kinda overpriced for what it is (just a rubber bulb attached to a plastic suction cup), but it does perform. I just got the 2 cm one, and that one is adequate for your face.
I like the vaculift very much. I use it after I apply my topical about every 3 days. You probably could do it daily if you don't overdo it. I'm thinking you can easily bruise yourself if have very sensitive or thin skin. I'd also be careful if you have rosacea or broken caps too. You do need some slip to your topical so that it glides across and does not drag your skin. I do enough passes until my skin turns red and then stop, about 3 passes. It improves circulation and the lymph drainage which is great for skin health. In the morning, my skin looks very hydrated with a nice little glow. |
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Sun May 18, 2008 2:14 pm |
sistersweets,
You don't have to buy a vaculifter to do facial cupping. The vaculifter just makes it easier as the device is designed for this purpose. If you look earlier in this thread, there are other sources of cupping devices and videos demonstrating them.
The idea of cupping actually comes from Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM). This facial cupping technique - where one drags the cups over oiled skin - is an offshoot of that.
Cupping is great for moving lymph (which doesn't have it's own pump - unlike blood which has the heart), etc.
jf,
cupping on the back is a treatment of Traditional Chinese Medicine for stagnant energy:
http://www.itmonline.org/arts/cupping.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_cupping
It used to be done with heat to create the vacuum (thus, the name fire cupping) but is primarily is done with pumps attached to the cups today. |
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Sun May 25, 2008 5:41 pm |
| Septembergirl wrote: |
The Vaculift has really peaked my interest, too. I have read through the thread, but one thing remains unclear to me: Are these devices battery-driven??? Unfortunately, I am not able to download the videos on my PC.
I think it's hard to figure out which size to choose for my face. I need some improvement in fine lines and slight bags in the under eye area. I would also like some deep cleansing in my nose area. Perhaps I will be best off with the 1 cm, but is the smallest one suited for the rest of my face and chest? I will appreciate any input. |
Septembergirl, for your areas of concern on the face, I would definitely get the smallest face one (1cm). The larger face one would be too big for using on your nose and working well on the under eye area. You can use the small one on other parts of the body - it'll just take you longer.
The vaculift is not battery operated. It is just designed for the specific purpose of dragging over oiled skin (v. regular Traditional Chinese Medicine cups). You squeeze the bulb and then drag over the skin. The blue button on top is to release suction. The vaculifter's larger handle (v. cups with no handle and only the suction squeeze thingie) allows for more ease dragging the cup and also makes it less likely to lose suction as some people have reported difficulty keeping suction with the facial cupping kit device.
Although you can't download the video with your computer, perhaps you can get a better idea the device itself and all sizes available by going to the manufacturer's website where you can see all 4 sizes side by side:
http://vaculifter.eu/shop/shop.php?PHPSESSID=31cbv5nnm3fcilqpfgsajle6g2 |
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Mon May 26, 2008 5:48 am |
| Septembergirl wrote: |
I was finally able to watch the video clip on my PC. It surely looks easy when the woman is working with the Vaculift. And her skin looks great for her age (53)!
She told that you are supposed to cleanse the face and then apply oil before you go to work with the Vaculift. I intend to use the Vaculift as part of oil cleansing method. I would not think it should be necessary to cleanse the face beforehand, or what do you think?
BTW, the vaculifting in the bust area sounds promising. Maybe it can promote some lifting effect? |
I'm using the Vaculifter with OCM and I'm not cleansing before that - it's not necessary. However, I am using it in the morning rather than in the evening when I'm removing makeup.
I don't have any breasts to lift - maybe I can suck 'em up bigger! |
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Tue May 27, 2008 10:21 am |
| Kris_*Kringle* wrote: |
| I noticed on several sites they advertise "Magentic" cups. Does anybody know exactly what the difference is to the plain cups? And in what way are they beneficial?TIA |
I wouldn't use magnetic ones with this cupping massage method. I know Zenity has magnetic ones but removes the magnets for this process.
The magnets are for use with traditional cupping (TCM) with the North side down to pull stagnant energy out of the body.
The reason why I don't suggest using magnets with this process is magnet use can be complex (deciding which side to use - North or South) and in cupping massage you are moving the cups over multiple areas (not focusing on one).
If you want to learn about using magnets for healing and also testing for magnet sensitivity, etc., Donna Eden is a good sourcewww.innersource.net - she covers magnets a bit in her "Energy Medicine" book. (I'm currently in her 2-year certification program). |
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Thu May 29, 2008 8:45 am |
Winnie, I'm thinking as we use the Vaculifter more and more, we'll get the technique down.
I had this experience of losing suction too and seem to be getting better at it. I think the face might be the hardest to get a "grip on" because of the angles - bone structure.
The slickness of the oil does help keep suction - I just put down enough to get the slip, no more. I put some drops in my palms, rub them together and then spread onto my face. I did buy the oil from NCN but probably could use a good cold-pressed oil in the future (cheaper).
I find the vaculifter's design makes the cupping massaging dragging action easier than the facial cupping kit I got (in addition to the plastic cups in the "facial" kit having rather rough edges - they were made originally for sucking out venom, not for dragging )
I got the small face and small body vaculifter. If I continue to love them  this much, I could see myself even going for the other 2 sizes.
It's like a daily massage |
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Thu May 29, 2008 8:55 am |
| Winnie wrote: |
I received my Vaculifter today. I did end up ordering the small face as the eye area is starting to show its age.
QUESTION For members who have been using the Vaculifter for several treatments: I find that I have to squeeze the ball several times while doing the face as I lose suction. I did pull the valve. Perhaps I have to get use to the technique. Could it be going over the uneven surface of the face air gets in to lose suction? The video seem to show one continuous massage without interruption. Am I the only one this happens to? I now have both face one and two and find the same thing. However, when I used the larger face on my declotee and arms I did not lose suction. Any advice?
In saying that I love, love, love the way my face feels after using the Vaculifter. It feels clean and has that healthy rosy glow that I love. I am hoping with FlexEffect and the Vaculifter I can keep my skin as firm as possible for my age.  This device will be great for my chin area where the pores are larger. I hope I can get the techique for the nose with the small face. 
NCN has outstanding Customer Service. ***** |
I've been using cupping for a couple of weeks, and the Vaculifter's 3 times so far. What helps me keep the suction on the face area best, is keeping the skin very taut. I start at the chin/jaw area and work upwards, with my free hand firmly anchoring/pulling the skin upward at my temple. This seems to keep the suction, and lets you get the feel of it. It does get easier each time.
So easy in fact, that I just ordered the 3rd.. (I have to have the small body for my arms).. I'm afraid my plan of using the other cupping set is out the window.. The Vaculifter's are so much easier to control, and so much fun to use.
You have no idea how close I came to hitting the submit button on the smallest as well.. I restrained myself, and rewarded myself with a jar of Bio-Active Night Repair instead...
The large face works awesome on the chin, jaw + NL lines for me. I place the V on the underside of my jaw near the ear, then with an up and down motion continue this to the other ear, paying extra attention to the chin and NL folds. It helps if you get into facial exercise mode, jut your chin/jaw out, and flex your cheeks a bit..
Gawd, I hope that makes sense! |
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Thu May 29, 2008 2:06 pm |
| doba wrote: |
| Can it be used on my neck as well? |
Yep, the small one works on the neck, actually anywhere on your body.
The major difference of the vaculifters is the size. You can get a better idea the device itself and all sizes available by going to the manufacturer's website where you can see all 4 sizes side by side:
http://vaculifter.eu/shop/shop.php?PHPSESSID=31cbv5nnm3fcilqpfgsajle6g2
I have the small face and small body ones. As I posted previously, I don't think I could use the larger body one on my arms. My arms are not that wide. I think with the large body cup it would be hard to keep suction when dragging the cup over my arm - think I would drag it too far to either side of the arm and lose suction if the cup goes over the edge of the arm. Watch the video on Nanci's site and see what you think regarding the size of the cup and your arms:
http://www.ncnproskincare.com/skin-care-products/home-therapy/the-vaculifter.html
Check out this webpage which shows a picture of a woman using the small body one on her arm and maybe you'll get an idea of what I'm talking about (re: width of arm):
http://vaculifter.eu/de/index.php?PHPSESSID=31cbv5nnm3fcilqpfgsajle6g2
Small face 1 cm = .39 inches (inside of cup where the suction is)
Large face 2 cm = .78 inches
Small body 3.5 cm = 1.38 inches
Large body 5 cm = 1.96 inches
Small face is 3/4" on the outside of the cup (1 cm is inside of cup = .39 inch)
Small body is 1 3/4" on the outside of the cup (3.5cm is inside of cup = 1.38 inches) |
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Fri May 30, 2008 4:26 am |
Hi Winnie
I have had mine arrive too from NCN and have been playing with it. My face isnt round like the woman demonstrating the device, and I tend to find that I too have to squeeze the ball a couple of times while doing the massage. Particularly doing it around my neck, I seem to need to squeeze it quite often (but my neck isnt loose or slack so maybe thats why its already quite toned).
I am experimenting with oils. I did get some of the oil for the device, and it works fine, but just being a constant student, I am always keen to experiment with different things and so far avocado oil is one of my favourites as it really does let the device glide all over the skin while providing vitamins to it etc.
I trained in connective tissue massage some years ago, and this device reminds me of the effects of that perfectly. One of the disadvantages with connective tissue massage is that you cant carry out the process on your own face entirely, but you can do some elements of it. The vaculifter though feels incredibly like connective tissue massage it definitely plumps up the connective tissue and removes stress and gets the blood flowing into that area. I am not sure yet re the muscles (but it has only been 2― days) but I am still experimenting with it.
Its a fast process though, so I think if someone is pushed for time, then this would be a great option for people to try however I do find that I am still doing ordinary face massage on my tissue simply because it feels so good and conditions everything and then do the vaculift to perfect the routine and that feels like its working pretty well for me so far.
Sean
| Winnie wrote: |
I received my Vaculifter today. I did end up ordering the small face as the eye area is starting to show its age.
QUESTION For members who have been using the Vaculifter for several treatments: I find that I have to squeeze the ball several times while doing the face as I lose suction. I did pull the valve. Perhaps I have to get use to the technique. Could it be going over the uneven surface of the face air gets in to lose suction? The video seem to show one continuous massage without interruption. Am I the only one this happens to? I now have both face one and two and find the same thing. However, when I used the larger face on my declotee and arms I did not lose suction. Any advice?
In saying that I love, love, love the way my face feels after using the Vaculifter. It feels clean and has that healthy rosy glow that I love. I am hoping with FlexEffect and the Vaculifter I can keep my skin as firm as possible for my age. [-o< This device will be great for my chin area where the pores are larger. I hope I can get the techique for the nose with the small face. :-k
NCN has outstanding Customer Service. ***** |
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Sat May 31, 2008 4:28 am |
| boski wrote: |
Here's a stupid question (or a brilliant idea ) ...
Can you suction your lips to make them plumper over time? I used to have this other hard plastic lip pump gadget, but I felt it was going to cause lip lines because of the way it sat on my mouth, so I stopped using it. But I did notice temporary plumping with it.
I'm thinking with the vaculift, with the shape of the bell and the flexibility to fit over the mouth, it might work based on the same principle. I don't have a big enough vaculift to fit over my mouth though. I only have the big face one which is about an inch. The large body might fit.
Anybody think this is good or bad idea? |
boski, I am using the small face over my lip area. So far, so good...nothing weird has happened to me.
For those who are worried about doing the eye area I totally understand. For a few months I have been doing FlexEffect. This program encourages facial massages. The massage I have been doing is aggressive. My skin looks better from the rolling, tapping and pinching. After two months my face and eye area seemed conditioned (thicker)for the Vaculifter. My eye area loves this device. I do recommend starting off with light suction for those just beginning this type massage. The company recommends beginning slowly and I understand why. I started off full speed as my skin has been use to daily manipulation for a few months now. |
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Sat May 31, 2008 1:07 pm |
Kris, when I first started doing facial massage and Flexeffect my eyes swelled up. However, with support I kept it up. No longer do I get swelling. In fact my bags have deflated some. I think the skin around your eyes is not use to being handled in such a manner. Until your eye area gets use to cupping use very little suction. You probably should only do it once or twice a week for now.
I think everyone has to do what is best for them. Certainly I would not want anyone to have problems using the Vaculifter around their eyes. Personally, I have no problems.
As far as seeing results I don't expect much for several weeks. All I know is my face feels awesome and have to love that blush. |
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Sat May 31, 2008 1:10 pm |
| I have all four vaculifts and what have used them for four weeks. My report of the thighs is that for two weeks they looked worse, I think that was because the cellulite was being broken up. Then the third week some improvement and toning and the four week much more improvement. Also I have noticed more balancing with my hormones. As for the face I use the lymph draining method that was on another site, maybe it was posted here also. Anyway my face looks more toned and the skin is thicker but I have been derma rolling for three months too. I really didn't expect to notice a difference in the face as far as elasticity for about three months. With the time it takes for cell turn over I felt it would take time. A friend of mine has also ordered and she is noticing much better color and moisture level in the face. I wish we have some advice on the exact technique for cellulite o the legs. |
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Sat May 31, 2008 6:01 pm |
This was posted here by Lunarmm and it is instructions for another face cupping set other than vaculift, but I use the basis for the vaculift. I will pm you more information.
Toby
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1. Turn the face to the side. Begin at the base of the ear and move down the neck and across the bottom of the clavicle using a suction/release method. Do the three passes in the group (1) area and repeat the pattern three times.
2. Begin low underneath the chin and glide over to the jaw at the base of the ear. Move up and do the next two glides (the third should be just under the jaw line). Repeat the pattern three times. Pick up what was deposited from group (2) at the base of the ear and drain down the neck using suction / release method.
3. Turn the face forward, and begin gliding drainage from the chin over to the side of the face. Do the three glides in the group (3) section, repeat three times. Drain down the side of the face and down the neck using suction / release.
4. Change to the small elongaged cup or smallest round cup. Work over the upper lip and pause over any lines or indentations to lift. Finish with a long glide to the side of the face. Repeat three times. Group (4).
5. Switch back to the large cup. This section begins at the bottom end of the nostril and glides across the face to the side. The second movement begins with a pause over the sinus - either "park it" or "pump it", then continue with a glide to the side. Finish with the third glide of the (5) section, and repeat three times. Finish with drainage down the side of the face, down the neck and across the clavicle.
6. Move to the point just between the eyes, and hold with suction to release that muscle. Do three slow glides on section (6) to release tension, repeat three times. Suction / release down the side of the face and neck to drain.
7. Begin at the center of the forehead and move across section (7) slowly to release the frontalis muscle. Follow the three gliding paths, and repeat three times. Suction / release down the side of the face and neck.
8. Change to the smallest round or oblong cup. Starting at the inside of the eye orbit, suction release slowly across the top of the orbit to move fluids to exterior corner of the eye. Get as close to the eyeball as possible, without touching it with the rim of the cup. You may glide the cup down the side of the face. Next, suction / release under the eye, getting as close as is comfortable. Repeat section 8 three times.
9. Change back to the largest cup, or stay with the smallest round cup if the largest will not seal over the brow ridge. Lift the inner brow up with the fingers of the other hand, place the cup down and suction in place for as long as it will hold (or a minute). Move the cup over slightly towads the outer end of the brow and repeat. Keep repeating until the end of the brow. Do this pattern on section (9) three times. Place cup back at the point between the eyebrows and glide over across the top of the brow line - the lowest glide from section (7). Suction / release down the side of the face and neck.
Repeat these patterns on the left side of the face. Check at the end for any areas that need extra attention, or these can be worked in between other sections. |
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:42 pm |
Thanks, Bethany! for the update re: the research.
Hi Winnie - On the neck, I too have more difficulty keeping suction there. I'm practicing. I like Kris' idea to go straight down from the ear. The only area I would avoid if any - is directly over the thyroid (lower midline).
Kris - what kind of oil are you using? I've been using the oil from the vaculifter maker that I ordered from Nanci with no problem. I have dry skin though. I have no idea on the content of this oil as it doesn't say on the container or on Nanci or the vaculifter's website. I'd like to know though....
BTW, I know Scali is having breakouts on the face using the vaculifter with what she usually uses fine on her face (hazelnut oil). So, she's asking Nanci for a sample of the vaculifter oil to try. Scali's not sure though if the hazelnut has gone bad cause she's had it for a while.... Otherwise, she's thinking the vaculifter does indeed increase absorption of the oil and it's too much for her skin (which tends to be oily).
I do have an idea that anything that can give enough slip to the vaculifter could be used but what?! Water with glycerin mixed in or something might even work or emu oil added to a water mister (shake well or you might even need an emulsifier) - you could be the guinea pig Have you checked the websites that list carrier oil properties. You could try the lighter of the oils. I think grapeseed is pretty light.
Some websites that list carrier oil properties:
http://www.zhealthinfo.com/carrier.htm
http://www.aromaweb.com/articles/whatcarr.asp
http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/bulkoil/bulkoil.php |
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Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:25 pm |
| Kris_*Kringle* wrote: |
| Cini wrote: |
| I could translate the info on the vaculift if somebody forwards me the German original. |
Not sure if this will work, but if it does, it's a PDF file of the instructions in German:
Please let us know if you find anything interesting in there. |
I Keep getting a message that some words are not allowed, but I can't figure out which ones I need to edit.
Let's try this again without the link:
THIS IS HOW YOU USE THE VACULIFTER:
For optimal results, massage yourself at least 2-3 times per week for approximately 8-10 minutes. Always use massage oil.
For the first 4-6 treatments we recommend to stop the massage as soon as the massaged area turns red.
The massage does not in the long run worsen couperose (except for a temporary swelling of the small blood vessels) (Couperose is the redness from burst blood vessels)
Warning: Never massage any given area longer than 5 seconds, or bruising may occur
Clean the massage bell either with a Kleenex or with warm soapy water. If you have acne-prone skin or blackheads, over night soak the bell part only in denture cleaner or pacifier cleaner
STEP BY STEP TO OPTIMAL RESULTS:
If the rubber ball cannot be fully squeezed, pull out the pin
Rub the body parts to be treated with massage oil so that the Vaculifer can glide over the skin
Take the Vaculifter and squeeze the rubber ball to create a vacuum
Start the massage immediately. Vertically, horizontally and and in both diagonals.
Immediately stop the massage:
-if you feel pain or stabs at the massaged area
-if during or after the massage you get swellings, severe redness, deformations or pimples
If you have varicose veins, please consult your physician before starting to massage
Never massage your joints, only the areas surrounding the joint
If you use blood thinning medications, we recommend not to massage while on the medications
Do not massage with the Vaculifter if you have active acne, rosacea or blisters |
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:44 pm |
| mommydearest wrote: |
| Do you feel you get good lymph massage with the small for your face? I really need for larger body areas too like inner knees, backs of thighs, tummy - I think the large body might be better for that don't you? What about small face and large body? I can live without the arms and chest for now. Eventually I am going to have at least 3. I can tell. Might be large face as the 3rd one because I bet you can use that on chest and arms too in addition to face and small body might be too large for the face. What do you think? |
I have 3 of the 4 Vaculifter's (lg face, sm body + lg body), and here's what I think after using each a while.
Large Face: works well on entire face, but needs a bit of tweaking at brow and above lip. Also works on neck, upper arms and chest. Although it would work on legs, it would take forever!
Small Body: Works well on arms, legs, abdomen, chest and butt.. It's too big for the face in MHO.
Large Body: It's hard to get the hang of it, and you really have to practice to get it right. It works well on the legs, hiney and abdomen, but in MHO the small body size is easier to control, and does a great job of it. (I believe any of you can get by nicely without this one.)
Knowing what I know now, after using all 3 that I have, I believe the small body + large face are all anybody needs to have an awesome massage from head to toe.....
I don't have the small face for comparison, but the large face is less than an inch in size, and works excellently for lymphatic drainage and the entire face. The only places it takes a bit of practice is the upper eye and upper lip.
HTH
P.S. Be forewarned, if you have some flab and cellulite, expect some black and blue marks on your arms and legs... |
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:19 am |
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| Conclusion: I really like this new hobby, but do have problems with the bony parts of the anatomy, especially this one . |
Septembergirl. the nose is a bit tricky. It is hard for me to do but I am determined. I use suction/release on the sides and tip of my nose. My nose is somewhat pug therefore I have a little fat to grab.
The hardest area for me to massage is the forehead. Having minimal fat to suction makes it difficult.
I too was concerned about the under eye area with my fatty deposits/bags. Come to find out this is my favorite area to use the small face. I swear the skin feels tighter. Prior to using the Vaculifter I was vigorously massaging the area as I do the Flexeffect program. Anyone just starting massage should begin slowly in the delicate eye area and gradually be more aggressive. |
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Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:59 pm |
O my gosh - what happened here! I introduced cupping to this forum, but Iīm not here very often. Sorry, gals! Keliu asked me to give some explanations concerning the vaculift.
I can only tell you how Iīve been using it for 5 years or more now with great results.
I use it in the morning as part of my cleansing routine and because I have more time then. I experimented with oil combinations and what suits my skin best is a mixture of thistle (carthamus tinctoris) and evening primrose oil. 4 parts of thistle, 1 part ep-oil. I mix it in a small bottle with 2 drops of lavender, rose geranium and orange oil. If you are very sensible, just use pure coldpressed oils. You have to experiment which oil suits you best. Geografx cleansing oil ist great too.
I start decongesting the lymphs. That means to start vaculifting underneath your ears as there are some lymphknots which may be blocked. Then I go on round my mouth, along the cheeks, under the eyes, over the eye-brows, along the "second eye" and the forehead, between the eyes, around the eyes, over the upper lips... slow, comfortable motions. You have to look at pictures of the facial muscles and the chinese acupuncture spots to find out for yourself. The lymph is important too. So start under the ears
and you can immediately feel swollen eyes drain off.
I repeat it for 5, 10 minutes. Then I remove the oil with an organic tissue and follow with my usual cleansing routine.
Does this help? I promise I return to this page soon. Please excuse!
Have a nice day!
Eleni |
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