Which is better for ageing skin - copper peptides or Vit C ?
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free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:46 pm

dear sienna,

it depends on how old you are. I think if you are over 50, cps can make a real difference, as they are a "remodeling" agent. But I wouldn't try them unless your skin is very damaged already. In other words, copper peptides are not an "anti-aging" product. I found out the hard way: upon using very conservatively the weakest formulation for several months, the texture of my skin and its natural elasticity were significantly and adversely affected. My skin is now covered with very large pores and bumps all over, 9 months later, despite several peels and retin-a and also months of good old benign neglect. I keep hoping that my skin will go back to "normal," but it has not really yet (I have my good and bad days).

When I had the person who sold me the cps ask Dr. Pickart (the founder and formulator) about my condition (I provided pics), he asked, upon seeing my photos, why in the world I would be using cps, since my skin still looked young. So, I'm gathering from this experience that cps are NOT meant for skin that is still, however you want to call it, "young." Or, shall we say, relatively undamaged. I'm 32.

I also think that vitamin c can be very acidic and detrimental to the skin barrier as well. Just be careful and don't use too many acidic products on the skin at once--you will cause damage.

In my opinion, a great nourishing product line as a base (like Osea), plus an anti-aging-specific product (such as NIA 24 or Remergent) will work best to preserve what you have, along with the Renova.

--avalange

free skin care · Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:40 pm

Starlight,

Sorry to cause you anxiety! I have heard that cps "bring damage to the surface," and that you then have to "slough it off" with retin-a and other exfoliants. That is apparently why cps must be used with lots of acids and retinoids. My hunch is the following: if you don't have damaged looking skin, why "bring it all up to the surface," especially if you cannot ever be sure that the damage being brought up (and that process by which damage is being brought up is only an interpretation of what is happening to your skin) will go away, or that you are taking the appropriate measures to rid the outer layers of the dermis of the damage, etc. For instance, my skin is too sensitive to use such harsh exfoliants, so how could I ever get rid of that surface damage? I do not want to look older beyond my years, especially since I look much younger than my years.
SO, my theory actually goes something like this: If you already have lots of visible damage, why not give it a try. If your damage is still invisible to the naked eye, why not wait. Smile

Hope that all makes sense.

--avalange

p.s. I ordered some samples from NIA and plan to use the skin strengthening complex to try to reverse some of the damage. And I'm on a long-term retin-a plan to turn over the skin cells and hopefully rid myself of the issues cps created.

p.p.s After extensive research on the internet, i think it is pretty clear that cps cause enlarged pores in many users. Enlarged pores are a sign of lost elasticity and thus, they make one look older.

Starlight wrote:

avalange wrote:

dear sienna,

it depends on how old you are. I think if you are over 50, cps can make a real difference, as they are a "remodeling" agent. But I wouldn't try them unless your skin is very damaged already. In other words, copper peptides are not an "anti-aging" product. I found out the hard way: upon using very conservatively the weakest formulation for several months, the texture of my skin and its natural elasticity were significantly and adversely affected. My skin is now covered with very large pores and bumps all over, 9 months later, despite several peels and retin-a and also months of good old benign neglect. I keep hoping that my skin will go back to "normal," but it has not really yet (I have my good and bad days).

When I had the person who sold me the cps ask Dr. Pickart (the founder and formulator) about my condition (I provided pics), he asked, upon seeing my photos, why in the world I would be using cps, since my skin still looked young. So, I'm gathering from this experience that cps are NOT meant for skin that is still, however you want to call it, "young." Or, shall we say, relatively undamaged. I'm 32.

I also think that vitamin c can be very acidic and detrimental to the skin barrier as well. Just be careful and don't use too many acidic products on the skin at once--you will cause damage.

In my opinion, a great nourishing product line as a base (like Osea), plus an anti-aging-specific product (such as NIA 24 or Remergent) will work best to preserve what you have, along with the Renova.

--avalange

Hi, I got really worried when I read this post since I have been using CP's for several months and I am not 50 yet and I also have enlarged pores. After much search it seems that CP's have wound healing and anti-aging properties however over use of CP's and in some rare cases over sensitivity to CP's under normal usage can lead to adverse side effects such as degredation in elasticity. Now I do not know what to do and I am scared that I have damaged my skin. Some of you ladies who are under 50 please chime in and give your input! Thanks!

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