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Fri Oct 01, 2010 1:52 pm  |
Keliu, I had way better results with stemulations compared to Amatokin. (I have a half unused bottle of Amatokin sitting in my cabinet).  |
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Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:13 pm |
| I still haven't had a response regarding the shipping issue and using USPS as this would greatly reduce the cost. If enough people query their shipping costs, they may do something about it. The fact that they are starting to give discounts means they are chasing customers and they just may not realise that their shipping prices are chasing customers away. |
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:26 pm |
| sister sweets, I use the serum twice a day, the cream at night. For me the serum is a must have, not too sure about the cream. hths. |
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Sat Oct 02, 2010 9:03 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| zizi wrote: |
| I have ordered only the serum, so will let you know how i get on with that alone. |
zizi,
What if anything do you plan to use for exfoliation and to replace the cream as a penetration enhancer?
Looking forward to your review once you get a chance to trial the serum!
TIA |
I ordered just the serum and plan on using emu oil for product penetration. I shy away from creams as much as possible as most of the time they present issues. |
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 2:27 am |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Question for Bushy and Lipglossdoll: Are you using this twice a day? Are you using any other actives, etc with it?
And in your opinion Bushy - How important is the cream? I am thinking if one exfoliated already and used an oil on top to increase penetration of the serum you would be covered. (Thus the "Boost"). |
I was of the opinion that the results shown by Stemulation were a result of using the scrub, the serum and the cream so that is why I bought all of them. Also, the scrub is a very large tube, is quite reasonably priced and is both a scrub and a cleanser so only one product is required. I use all three morning and night. It is a very simple and quick routine which is another reason why I love this line. I don't use anything else apart from sunscreen. |
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Skin: Over 60, ex combination now sensitive, Cellcosmet |
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 5:34 am |
| Bermie wrote: |
This range sounds interesting..but the price of postage to Australia stops me too!!
No point in even looking at it, could not maintain the upkeep either. Its so disappointing when this happens, it was the same with Nectifirm , I found it on ebay but the postage was more than the product itself.. 
Just wonder why this happens, I have bought products form the US before and shipping can be reasonable? |
I buy all my DIY ingredients from the US and occasionally purchase from NCN and EDS. The most I've ever paid in postage is around $16.00. I haven't received a response from Stemulation about their exorbitant postage rates.
Also, I can't find any information about this product or the company on the net. I've also checked PubMed and there's nothing about the product on there either. The "about us" section on the website only lists company executives and PR people which isn't very informative. There also doesn't appear to be any clinical trials on this product.
In regard to the cleanser/exfoliator - all companies will tell you that their products should be used together - that is the number one rule of marketing. However, any dermatologist will tell you that a cleanser is the the most basic part of any skin care routine because it does not stay on the skin - it gets washed off. So I wouldn't see a problem in using another brand of cleanser/exfoliator. Don't know enough about the cream to be able to comment. |
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Born 1950. There's a new cream on the market that gets rid of wrinkles - you smear it on the mirror!! |
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Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:05 am |
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Am I the only one that thinks this is a bit of overkill on exfoliation? You use a scrub first for that purpose, apply the serum and then a cream for the same purpose? Just marketing more products? |
I think it is a bit of an overkill myself, DM. The only product that has the stem cells is the serum. |
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Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:37 am |
I've posted my question on Facebook - but, take a look at this:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=116&post=1052&uid=134057623274946#!/photo.php?pid=556222&id=134057623274946&ref=fbx_album
Please copy and paste the WHOLE link into the address bar to make it work.
This is a photo of the staff at the International Congress of Estheticians where they were promoting Stemulation.
Is that alarm bells that I can hear ringing?  |
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Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:05 am |
| bushy wrote: |
I have had a very detailed response from Stemulation regarding any links between it and Stemulance and any concern I had has now gone. Unfortunatley, the email is private so I can't reproduce it but the person who was originally instrumental in getting the formulation for the stem cell ingredients is with Stemulation and Stemulance is the copy cat. The person from Stemulation does not really know what Stemoxyl is and is not sure what, if any, stem cell ingredients are in Stemulance.
Based on the ingredients listed previously, Stemulation should have a coma separating HMSC Cultured Media(stem cell extract) and Glycerin.
I have also been advised that Stemulation will shortly offer USPS as an alternative shipping option.
Not all products suit all skins, but these do seem to suit mine so I am happy to continue using them. I've had such good initial results that I am keen to see what results I may achieve long term. |
I wonder why Laurie Nicoll with Stemulation filed an application for a trademark for Stemoxyl then. You can do a word search in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office database at http://tess2.uspto.gov/ and pull the record up. There are actually two applications, one by Laurie Nicoll and a more recent one which has the name of Rob Shively, co-founder of Stemulance. Also, searching for all the corporations involved in the database provided by the Nevada Secretary of State's Office where all the corporations are registered links the two names together (Laurie Nicoll & Rob Shively). Here's the link to the record for the company Pure Body Elements, Inc. (this name is all over the applications for trademarks for Stemoxly: http://nvsos.gov/sosentitysearch/CorpDetails.aspx?lx8nvq=p2P3hGdPwept5wloZ55fvw%253d%253d&nt7=0 |
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Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:36 am |
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| bushy wrote: |
The person from Stemulation does not really know what Stemoxyl is and is not sure what, if any, stem cell ingredients are in Stemulance.
Based on the ingredients listed previously, Stemulation should have a coma separating HMSC Cultured Media(stem cell extract) and Glycerin.
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I wonder why Laurie Nicoll with Stemulation filed an application for a trademark for Stemoxyl then. You can do a word search in the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office database at http://tess2.uspto.gov/ and pull the record up. There are actually two applications, one by Laurie Nicoll and a more recent one which has the name of Rob Shively, co-founder of Stemulance. Also, searching for all the corporations involved in the database provided by the Nevada Secretary of State's Office where all the corporations are registered links the two names together (Laurie Nicoll & Rob Shively). |
Great find, Skippie. Has anyone checked into the people themselves that are running these 2 companies?
I am curious if there really should be a comma after the stem cell extract and the glycerin. Bushy, did you ask her anything regarding the stem cell extract and exactly what it is? |
I too found an association between the principal players of Stemulance and Stemulation (Shively & Nicoll) via Pure Body Elements. I never checked the Patent office information though, so kudos to you Skippie!
I am very sure that there should be a comma between the hMSC cultured media and Glycerin on the ingredients list Riley (simply because I doubt plain glycerin would actually grow stem cells). I don't understand the science completely so I could be wrong about that. There are a few typos in the ingredients list and elsewhere, so I would say that someone didn't completely do their proof reading.
The Stemulance does not mention any "cultured media" on its ingredient list, but I did notice "Signaling peptides" about half way down the ingredients of the serum; perhaps this is how they chose to label the stem cell extract?
BTW, culture medium is a formulation used to grow stem cells; there are many different ones available for hMCS but most (not all) seem to require the addition of bovine serum. So the research finding that is supposed to be a unique technology to Stemulance and Stemulation isn't really unique. Perhaps what is new and different is that it is being used in a skin care line of products.
The term " hMSC Cultured Media (stem cell extract)" used by Stemulation reminds me very much of SkinMedica's TNS "Human Fibroblast Conditioned Media". So perhaps for marketing purposes, Stemulation has used a similar terminology on their ingredients list. I don't believe INCI has an accepted nomenclature for this ingredient yet, since it is relatively new and only used by these two companies that I am aware of.
Regarding the companies involved (Stemulance and Stemulation), I did notice quite a bit of similarities between the products offered, both in terms of ingredients list and pricing. One thing I did appreciate was Stemulance has quite a bit of information regarding their management team and advisory board. Assuming the information they provide on their website is valid, they have MDs and PhDs listed with short bios, whereas the Stemulation website seems to list marketing/sales types, and provides no information at all on their researchers. I did notice that the personnel there have financial experience (marketing, mortgage lending etc.) but none seem to have a scientific research background.
Its not unusual in the business world for company personnel to go their separate ways and end up as competitors in the marketplace, but I find it very suspicious for one company to deny knowing of the existence of the other. The use of the term impostor is also very unprofessional IMO. It appears that at one time the lead players did work together but have now chosen to part ways and do business on their own.
A few links for you to check out if you are interested:
http://www.utwente.nl/tnw/tr/General%20Info/Protocols/hMSC%20culture%20media.doc/
http://www.invitrogen.com/site/us/en/home/Products-and-Services/Applications/Cell-Culture/Stem-Cell-Research/Stem-Cell-Research-Misc/StemPro-MSC-SFM.html
http://www.stemulance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45&Itemid=199
http://www.stemulance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:scientific-and-medical-advisory-board&catid=34:yootheme&Itemid=198
http://www.slideshare.net/guestc9deed7/introduction-to-stemulance-skin-care-and-scientific-presentation-april-12-2010 |
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Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:03 pm |
Hard to find anything on Nicoll, but Shively studied poli sci and doesn't seem to have anyone on his staff that has expertise in this (his co-founder, "Dr" Simeroth, earned his PhD studying business management value systems!) Nicoll is running Cole Martin out of a home in Aliso Viejo.
These people seem more like self-styled marketing wizards (ie scam artists) than scientists likely to produce an effective, innovative product. The Facebook photos seal the deal. I'm astounded that anyone has spent even a dollar on this one. |
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Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:26 pm |
Information for Trademark Registration of Stemulance:
Word Mark STEMULANCE
Goods and Services IC 003. US 001 004 006 050 051 052. G & S: Eye cream; Facial cream; Facial washes. FIRST USE: 20100210. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20100211
Standard Characters Claimed
Mark Drawing Code (4) STANDARD CHARACTER MARK
Serial Number 85130160
Filing Date September 15, 2010
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Owner (APPLICANT) Dermatech Research, Incorporated CORPORATION NEVADA 32196 Via Barrida San Juan Capistrano CALIFORNIA 92675
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE
The address appears to be a private residence, according to Google maps.
The date of filing is very recent. |
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