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Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:16 am  |
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| I used this product a long while back and realized it wasn't something I specifically needed although I could tell it did tighten. I didn't, don't have bags BUT I have been doing facial exercises a lot - focusing on the cheeks and it seems that with this I have increased wrinkling, creasing and to an extent a bag effect at the under-eye area (I KNOW, I KNOW - can't win). Anyway I'm back to trying the EES for help with flattening the area and very excited for the results. |
I think Keliu what you might not realize since you aren't familiar with facial exercises is that it's all about creating balance and symmetry. For instance, in Sis's case she wanted to create more volume in her cheeks. She admitted she's been doing facial exercises a lot focusing on the cheek area. Unfortunately, this could adversely affect the under-eye area. I feel the reason could be loss of volume in that area.. Does this mean that facial exercises are no good? Of course not!! But that said, it is possible to create an imbalance in the face or even to work an area too hard to create an adverse affect. Just as stretching the skin is being discussed on the other thread which is something to consider. Which, by the way is what Dr. Schultz was speaking about. Perhaps he was referring to the Ageless or Flex programs with respect to the skin stretching aspects? Also something to consider, when an area is worked too hard, the muscles can be stripped and sag. That said, sometimes we need to make a choice .... a trade-off so to speak. This does not mean that the products she's using aren't effective or doing their job. I know it may sound crazy because as you admitted, you don't do facial exercises... But, the face isn't the same in the 50's, everything has changed, the collagen, elastin, muscle fibres, and skin texture have all changed. I believe that skincare products, facial exercises can work together synergistically to create the desired look. But that said, if something is out of balance, there could be an adverse affect. ~ Aprile |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:11 am |
Just wanted to add that although Sis may be unhappy with her undereye area, I think she looks fab!!!  |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:00 pm |
| aprile wrote: |
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| I used this product a long while back and realized it wasn't something I specifically needed although I could tell it did tighten. I didn't, don't have bags BUT I have been doing facial exercises a lot - focusing on the cheeks and it seems that with this I have increased wrinkling, creasing and to an extent a bag effect at the under-eye area (I KNOW, I KNOW - can't win). Anyway I'm back to trying the EES for help with flattening the area and very excited for the results. |
I think Keliu what you might not realize since you aren't familiar with facial exercises is that it's all about creating balance and symmetry. For instance, in Sis's case she wanted to create more volume in her cheeks. She admitted she's been doing facial exercises a lot focusing on the cheek area. Unfortunately, this could adversely affect the under-eye area. I feel the reason could be loss of volume in that area.. Does this mean that facial exercises are no good? Of course not!! But that said, it is possible to create an imbalance in the face or even to work an area too hard to create an adverse affect. Just as stretching the skin is being discussed on the other thread which is something to consider. Which, by the way is what Dr. Schultz was speaking about. Perhaps he was referring to the Ageless or Flex programs with respect to the skin stretching aspects? Also something to consider, when an area is worked too hard, the muscles can be stripped and sag. That said, sometimes we need to make a choice .... a trade-off so to speak. This does not mean that the products she's using aren't effective or doing their job. I know it may sound crazy because as you admitted, you don't do facial exercises... But, the face isn't the same in the 50's, everything has changed, the collagen, elastin, muscle fibres, and skin texture have all changed. I believe that skincare products, facial exercises can work together synergistically to create the desired look. But that said, if something is out of balance, there could be an adverse affect. ~ Aprile |
I don't want to start a debate on facial exercises here but this is the statement by Dr. Schultz that had you, Sis and others up in arms: "Sadly, actually, facial exercise will make you lose tone and will encourage lines and wrinkles."
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=35512
But I don't understand how wrinkles can form so quickly, especially when ASG and the DNA Serum have been touted as being especially "youthenizing", "smoothing", "cushioning", "plumping" to the under eye area. |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:00 pm |
Thanks Keliu and Lacy for your questions. I'm sure you have all of our best interest at heart in the asking.....
Keliu - As far as the DNA serum - it does youthenize the entire eye area. If I could only show you I would. And seeing as how I'm on a quest for improvement without surgery I purchased EES to see what it could do for me to futher advance the cause. 
(As Aprile mentions) Facial exercises have perked my face up and I love the results for my cheeks as well as lower face. With this lift however my direct undereye area has some creasing which I'm hoping the EES will smooth out. Also - some days you just need a little more help (tired, not enough sleep, big date, etc)... Simple stuff. 
The results of all the products I truly love work differently. There is a time and place for all of them. I know you do a lot of interventions Keliu so surely you understand.
Lacy I just started the trans retinol. I do not believe the results are necessarily correlated with similar retin a results. Nanci has helped me a lot with choosing products. She has skin similar to mine and I believe she told me she likes it better than retin a so What the Hay!! I'm giving it a try. Hope that explains it for ya. BTW: Green Cream actually did do some good things for my skin. |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:12 pm |
Sis - I am using the DNA Serum, and will continue to do so, I've just ordered another bottle. I haven't experienced any obvious plumping or smoothing to the skin, but I like the ingredients and the price so will continue to use it.
I was just very surprised when, considering the raves that you have given to both ASG and DNA in improving the under eye area, you decided to use EES which, in my understanding, is only a temporary fix.
Surely, we are all aware that the results of using Retinol are directly associated with those of Retin-A - it just takes longer to see them - with the added advantage of less irritation (that's if your skin happens to be sensitive to Retin-A). |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:20 pm |
| Keliu wrote: |
| aprile wrote: |
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| I used this product a long while back and realized it wasn't something I specifically needed although I could tell it did tighten. I didn't, don't have bags BUT I have been doing facial exercises a lot - focusing on the cheeks and it seems that with this I have increased wrinkling, creasing and to an extent a bag effect at the under-eye area (I KNOW, I KNOW - can't win). Anyway I'm back to trying the EES for help with flattening the area and very excited for the results. |
I think Keliu what you might not realize since you aren't familiar with facial exercises is that it's all about creating balance and symmetry. For instance, in Sis's case she wanted to create more volume in her cheeks. She admitted she's been doing facial exercises a lot focusing on the cheek area. Unfortunately, this could adversely affect the under-eye area. I feel the reason could be loss of volume in that area.. Does this mean that facial exercises are no good? Of course not!! But that said, it is possible to create an imbalance in the face or even to work an area too hard to create an adverse affect. Just as stretching the skin is being discussed on the other thread which is something to consider. Which, by the way is what Dr. Schultz was speaking about. Perhaps he was referring to the Ageless or Flex programs with respect to the skin stretching aspects? Also something to consider, when an area is worked too hard, the muscles can be stripped and sag. That said, sometimes we need to make a choice .... a trade-off so to speak. This does not mean that the products she's using aren't effective or doing their job. I know it may sound crazy because as you admitted, you don't do facial exercises... But, the face isn't the same in the 50's, everything has changed, the collagen, elastin, muscle fibres, and skin texture have all changed. I believe that skincare products, facial exercises can work together synergistically to create the desired look. But that said, if something is out of balance, there could be an adverse affect. ~ Aprile |
I don't want to start a debate on facial exercises here but this is the statement by Dr. Schultz that had you, Sis and others up in arms: "Sadly, actually, facial exercise will make you lose tone and will encourage lines and wrinkles."
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=35512
But I don't understand how wrinkles can form so quickly, especially when ASG and the DNA Serum have been touted as being especially "youthenizing", "smoothing", "cushioning", "plumping" to the under eye area. |
Keliu - I'm sorry - I created a misunderstanding with you - it's really not about wrinkles 'all of sudden' forming. And it's nothing like what Dr. Shultz said (though he could use a good dose of facial exercise). Anyway all I can tell you is - I'm going for the best I can be - I have a great new guy, lots going on with business events, etc and I'm going for the gusto. I have very little actual wrinkling. What I am talking about it an effect created when I smile. My cheekbones are high and I have lifted the muscle also. As a result I feel like my undereye at the top of the bone/ muscle crinkles more since it is pressed somewhat by the cheeks... mostly when I smile. I am trying EES for prevention and smoothing out. I ordered it today (on special!) and will give it a try. Hope you are able to understand by my description what I mean. |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:35 pm |
Keliu - I didn't know you were using the DNA. You must have some kind of results if you're on to a second bottle. Do you notice a cushioning type feeling? Do you put it all around your eye area?
I use DNA directly after ASG or ASD and I think it potentiates the effect of the product.
And a suggestion: You may like the EGF capsules for use at night. It's a good "feed" for the skin. I love the silky feel of the product. |
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Enjoying dermalogica with my ASG and Pico toner ** Disclosure: I was a participant without remuneration in promotional videos for Ageless Secret Gold and the Neurotris Pico Emmy event. |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:50 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Lacy I just started the trans retinol. I do not believe the results are necessarily correlated with similar retin a results. Nanci has helped me a lot with choosing products. She has skin similar to mine and I believe she told me she likes it better than retin a so What the Hay!! I'm giving it a try. Hope that explains it for ya. BTW: Green Cream actually did do some good things for my skin. |
From Nanci's website:
All-trans mean that the stable Retinol, which is a derivative of Vitamin A, actually converts to retinoic acid on the skin. This stable retinol is encapsulated in liposomes which makes it time-released and also makes it non-irritating ....
http://ncnskincare.com/anti-aging-products-c-3/strongest-all-trans-retinol-1-0-2-0-p-28
The "active" converts to retinoic acid, which just happens to be the same active in Retin-A. If you didn't have results from Retin-A, I don't see any reason to use the trans Retinol product. However, you may like the added ingredients in Nanci's product (such as various oils, shea butter, aloe etc). But those additional ingredients are widely available in many cosmetic moisturizers and don't do much for the skin other than moisturize. |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:57 pm |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Keliu - I didn't know you were using the DNA. You must have some kind of results if you're on to a second bottle. Do you notice a cushioning type feeling? Do you put it all around your eye area?
I use DNA directly after ASG or ASD and I think it potentiates the effect of the product.
And a suggestion: You may like the EGF capsules for use at night. It's a good "feed" for the skin. I love the silky feel of the product. |
I'm just coming to the end of my first bottle and can't see any visible plumping or cushioning. Actually, this serum seems to sink right in and leaves more of a dry feeling to the skin. But I presume that that doesn't mean it's not doing something positive deep in the dermis. On top of that I've just started using EL Night Repair Concentrate so I'll hold off on trying the EGF Capsules for now.
As for ASG or ASD potentiating the DNA - don't believe a word of it!!!! Sorry!!! |
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:54 pm |
Lacy (and Keliu) - To further your understanding of why I've decided to use the all-trans retinol (vs retin a) I went to my email archives that I keep on skin care advice and found this from Nanci.
.....I can’t use Retin-A, I never stopped peeling from it and it thinned my skin out - and I mean paper thin. Some people just don’t do well with Retin-A and I’m one of them. That’s why I came out with my All-Trans Retinol. Retin-A, even the weakest form doesn’t work for me. And although all-trans retinol converts to retinoic acid on the skin, it’s encapsulated in liposomes and is time released – so I’m finally able to use a stronger retinol product with positive instead of negative results......
Sis here: I too had peeling etc from retin a and never noticed any good from using it In discussion with Nanci she suggested this might be the ticket. We have similar skin and I've tended to do well by her suggestions. So, there you have it. I'm hoping to achieve retin a benefits without the side effects. BTW: I use the 2% formula with no difficulty. I love my skin care regime!
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| sister sweets wrote: |
Lacy I just started the trans retinol. I do not believe the results are necessarily correlated with similar retin a results. Nanci has helped me a lot with choosing products. She has skin similar to mine and I believe she told me she likes it better than retin a so What the Hay!! I'm giving it a try. Hope that explains it for ya. BTW: Green Cream actually did do some good things for my skin. |
From Nanci's website:
All-trans mean that the stable Retinol, which is a derivative of Vitamin A, actually converts to retinoic acid on the skin. This stable retinol is encapsulated in liposomes which makes it time-released and also makes it non-irritating ....
http://ncnskincare.com/anti-aging-products-c-3/strongest-all-trans-retinol-1-0-2-0-p-28
The "active" converts to retinoic acid, which just happens to be the same active in Retin-A. If you didn't have results from Retin-A, I don't see any reason to use the trans Retinol product. However, you may like the added ingredients in Nanci's product (such as various oils, shea butter, aloe etc). But those additional ingredients are widely available in many cosmetic moisturizers and don't do much for the skin other than moisturize. |
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:34 am |
| AmazingRacer wrote: |
I just selected this DNA serum as a sample in my latest NCN order but a sample probably won't be enough to tell me if I like it or not. At least I can see if I like the consistency and how my skin reacts to it (if it soaks in, breaks me out, etc).
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AmazingRacer,
Did you receive your sample and use it yet? Any opinions? I have just finished off my sample this morning, so definitely not enough time at all to see if the product works. It has taken me using the entire sample before finally feeling the "moisturizing" effect. I think I will go ahead and order the full size product and see how it goes. |
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:39 pm |
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AmazingRacer,
Did you receive your sample and use it yet? Any opinions? |
Yes I did receive my DNA sample but haven't tried it yet. I used a whole bottle of 2% All-trans Retinol and didn't notice anything so did not repurchase. I feel like I'm just a person who doesn't see noticeable results from anything.
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:05 pm |
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| rileygirl wrote: |
AmazingRacer,
Did you receive your sample and use it yet? Any opinions? |
Yes I did receive my DNA sample but haven't tried it yet. I used a whole bottle of 2% All-trans Retinol and didn't notice anything so did not repurchase. I feel like I'm just a person who doesn't see noticeable results from anything.
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LOL. Don't feel bad. I am the exact same way. I do not have the remarkable results a lot of the forum members here have with products. You are definitely not alone!
(About the All-Trans Retinol product, I doubt 1 bottle would produce any major results, as it takes Retin A 1 year to give results, so for a product that has to convert into retinoic acid, I would think it would take quite a while longer to work. I think if one is seeing fast results from that product, it is due to the moisturizing ingredients in it. Not that this is a bad thing, just wanted to give my 2 cents on that!)
I am on the fence about purchasing the DNA Serum. I wanted to experiment and see how my face felt this morning using the exact same products minus the DNA Serum, and my skin felt "moisturized" today without it. I thought I was getting that feeling from the DNA Serum, but now I am not sure! |
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:07 am |
rielygirl - It may be that the DNA Repair isn't helping you, but also it could possibly be a residual effect of the product. I now find that my skin is more moisturised even if I skip the DNA Repair for a day or half a day. Having said that, I've been using it for several weeks now.
I can certainly sympathise with your frustration. Some products recommended on here work well for me and some raved about stuff does absolutely nothing at all on my skin! |
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:15 am |
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rielygirl - It may be that the DNA Repair isn't helping you, but also it could possibly be a residual effect of the product. I now find that my skin is more moisturised even if I skip the DNA Repair for a day or half a day. Having said that, I've been using it for several weeks now.
I can certainly sympathise with your frustration. Some products recommended on here work well for me and some raved about stuff does absolutely nothing at all on my skin! |
Majorb, I am thinking you are correct about the residual effect, as this morning I used the exact same products, but today my skin was more dry. I will bite the bullet and purchase the DNA Serum. I'll report back after I have used the product for at least a month! Thanks for your help! |
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:32 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Majorb, I am thinking you are correct about the residual effect, as this morning I used the exact same products, but today my skin was more dry. I will bite the bullet and purchase the DNA Serum. I'll report back after I have used the product for at least a month! Thanks for your help! |
I hope you'll see the difference after using the full-sized product for a while. If not, I'll feel awfully guilty for recommending a dud product for you! 
Please report back and let us know how you get on after you've tried it for a few weeks. I'd really love for it to work for you. I know how disappointed you've been in so many products in the past. It's always lovely to finally find something which does actually help. |
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:55 am |
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If not, I'll feel awfully guilty for recommending a dud product for you!
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LOL. No, please don't feel guilty if it does not work for me, majorb. No need for that, as you are right, I have been disappointed with a lot of pruducts. I am only hoping for the moisturizing effect and no miracles, so I don't think I will be disappointed. |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:23 am |
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Sis - I am using the DNA Serum, and will continue to do so, I've just ordered another bottle. I haven't experienced any obvious plumping or smoothing to the skin, but I like the ingredients and the price so will continue to use it.
I was just very surprised when, considering the raves that you have given to both ASG and DNA in improving the under eye area, you decided to use EES which, in my understanding, is only a temporary fix.
Surely, we are all aware that the results of using Retinol are directly associated with those of Retin-A - it just takes longer to see them - with the added advantage of less irritation (that's if your skin happens to be sensitive to Retin-A). |
Just bit the bullet and purchased the DNA with the 20% off going on right now. I can always use some added moisture so lets hope it works for me.
Keliu, I will agree that the EES is an instant fix and for the most part "temporary" but, I have found with prolonged use that it does leave a lasting effect where my under eyes have smoothed out some and look much better than pre-EES days when I don't use it. Definitely not perfect, but they do look much better. |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:41 am |
| Hi, Can you use Eye Tuck on the upper lids. My upper lids are hooded! |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:45 am |
| Not sure anyone has had luck with the tuck on the upper lids and I have not tried it there. If it worked that well in other places I'd dip my whole body in it, hell with the gym! |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:05 am |
I'm nearly finished my first bottle of DNA serum, and am unsure whether to order again!!
I quite like it and have been using it before my LED. I don't find it particularly moisturising, but my skin feel nice when it sinks in. Who knows?? LOL, hopefully its doing something!
There are a few other products I want to try, NCN's and others. I too am another one who doesn't really see any 'dramatic' results form most products.
CP's are the only thing I do see results from.
Is anyone using NCN's Elasten Lifting/Firming Serum? I would like to try that too, some good ingredients!! I need a money tree!! |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:16 am |
| From what I understand from reading on NCN is that the DNA serum can be used at night over retin-a? Has anyone used it with the retin-a at night? |
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Fri Nov 25, 2011 1:36 pm |
| Hi bren - I would check with Nanci about this - I was under the impression if you use her trans-retinol it goes on after the DNA. Maybe it's different for Retin a. In any case I'm sure you can use DNA with retin a. |
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Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:19 am |
| bren21 wrote: |
| From what I understand from reading on NCN is that the DNA serum can be used at night over retin-a? Has anyone used it with the retin-a at night? |
I use it with Retin-A, but I apply the DNA Serum first. I work on the theory of applying products in the order of thin to thick. |
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