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Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:48 pm  |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| I feel tons better!!! and thankfully Riley checked your list and it appears were all on the same cream! |
I think it makes sense that you all have the identical cream, since you bought the "original" formulation from Marta; is that correct? Does everyone have the same Serum though? Riley posted the ingredient list of her product, and stated they "don't match". Here's her ingredients for the Serum:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, water, glycerin, polysorbate 20, cellulose gum, phenoxyethanol, sodium PCA, DL Panthenol, allantoin.
I am just trying to make sure everyone is posting reviews for the same/identical serum (and yes, all the ingredients matter ... not just the first one IMO). |
Thanks Lacy. Since Reluma is going to continue selling multiple versions (at least on the moisturizer) I think it is important that forum members know which versions are driving the great results so that they can order the same ones. (well, that's what I would want to do!)
Marta must be selling this stuff by the boatloads if she can convince them to keep making/bottling a prior formulation for her.  |
Must be good old "Supply and Demand"  |
That was my point. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:50 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| I feel tons better!!! and thankfully Riley checked your list and it appears were all on the same cream! |
I think it makes sense that you all have the identical cream, since you bought the "original" formulation from Marta; is that correct? Does everyone have the same Serum though? Riley posted the ingredient list of her product, and stated they "don't match". Here's her ingredients for the Serum:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, water, glycerin, polysorbate 20, cellulose gum, phenoxyethanol, sodium PCA, DL Panthenol, allantoin.
I am just trying to make sure everyone is posting reviews for the same/identical serum (and yes, all the ingredients matter ... not just the first one IMO). |
Thanks Lacy. Since Reluma is going to continue selling multiple versions (at least on the moisturizer) I think it is important that forum members know which versions are driving the great results so that they can order the same ones. (well, that's what I would want to do!)
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Agree, I also think it is important that we know which formula people are using and getting results with. The comment Lacy made about "all the ingredients matter" is likely due to the fact that at least 2 versions of the serum have a film former in the list. That can make a difference in the results some people are seeing "if" they are using that particular formula - meaning that film former provides a nice covering over wrinkles and makes them appear softer and in some cases (if they are fine enough) disappear altogether. |
That is a very important point!
Editing to add: I wonder if the film agent is a new addition, or something they pulled out of the old version? I guess we'll have to wait for Tiny's reply from Reluma. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:54 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| bethany wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| I feel tons better!!! and thankfully Riley checked your list and it appears were all on the same cream! |
I think it makes sense that you all have the identical cream, since you bought the "original" formulation from Marta; is that correct? Does everyone have the same Serum though? Riley posted the ingredient list of her product, and stated they "don't match". Here's her ingredients for the Serum:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, water, glycerin, polysorbate 20, cellulose gum, phenoxyethanol, sodium PCA, DL Panthenol, allantoin.
I am just trying to make sure everyone is posting reviews for the same/identical serum (and yes, all the ingredients matter ... not just the first one IMO). |
Thanks Lacy. Since Reluma is going to continue selling multiple versions (at least on the moisturizer) I think it is important that forum members know which versions are driving the great results so that they can order the same ones. (well, that's what I would want to do!)
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Agree, I also think it is important that we know which formula people are using and getting results with. The comment Lacy made about "all the ingredients matter" is likely due to the fact that at least 2 versions of the serum have a film former in the list. That can make a difference in the results some people are seeing "if" they are using that particular formula - meaning that film former provides a nice covering over wrinkles and makes them appear softer and in some cases (if they are fine enough) disappear altogether. |
Wish I could say mine were "fine" nothing "fine" about any wrinkles I have, they passed that a few years ago  . I don't disagree its important, but I can only wait on their reply. We all do know there are 2 creams, I do not think there are 2 serums, I do think some vendors are not listing stuff right, and I've let them know. I do hope they fix it, but thats the best I can do. Copy my boxes ingredients for here and email them. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:18 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Does everyone have the same Serum though? Riley posted the ingredient list of her product, and stated they "don't match". Here's her ingredients for the Serum:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, water, glycerin, polysorbate 20, cellulose gum, phenoxyethanol, sodium PCA, DL Panthenol, allantoin.
I am just trying to make sure everyone is posting reviews for the same/identical serum (and yes, all the ingredients matter ... not just the first one IMO). |
Well thank you for being so concerned for us.
The comment of mine that you've taken out of context was in reference to rather "I FELT IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO USE OLD CREAM OR NEW". I don't, but I'd like to try the new.
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Water, Gylcerin, Polysorbate 20, Cellulose Gum, Phenoxyethanol, Sodium PCA, DL-Panthenol, Allontion.
Now since my bottle is clear and I am again on old cheaters, I think I have the list right.
I do trust this helps you Lacy
eta: all my exp dates ara May 2013 |
Tiny, perhaps you have forgotten this post from Page 1 of this thread?
From Truth in Aging:
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Water, Glycerin, Sodium PCA, DL-Panthenol, Hydroxy Ethyl Cellulose, Allantoin, Phenoxyethanol.
http://www.truthinaging.com/reluma-serum
So there you go; 3 different ingredient lists for the same ReLuma Serum (there's only one product called serum). Note where water is listed on each of those lists. I didn't bother to check the ingredients lists for other sellers; maybe it's more than 3. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:24 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Wish I could say mine were "fine" nothing "fine" about any wrinkles I have, they passed that a few years ago . I don't disagree its important, but I can only wait on their reply. We all do know there are 2 creams, I do not think there are 2 serums, I do think some vendors are not listing stuff right, and I've let them know. I do hope they fix it, but thats the best I can do. Copy my boxes ingredients for here and email them. |
I know many don't want my thoughts but for those that do, if it was all due to a film forming agent we all would have been instantly wrinkle free with the very first application.
Instead those of us having results are having a gradual fading of lines that so far has been cumulative in it's effect and I do not see a film former doing that!
I also see my face with nothing on after cleansing and it looks as good as with the products on so I know it is working for my skin! |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:31 pm |
I expect she did forget most of us here do not have the memory of elephants.
We have posted our ingredients list from our bottles. They match TIA's. Perhaps you could tell us exactly what you want. I think we have been more than helpful. Originally you did not say this was about Tiny and a long forgotten post, you said it was about ingredients on our bottles and listed on website. Ours match now. Tiny has emailed Invitrix about discrepencies on other sites.
Please clarify what you need now.
Lacey why don't you email invitrix and the other sites and point this out. You appear to hav plenty of free time on your hands. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:34 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Wish I could say mine were "fine" nothing "fine" about any wrinkles I have, they passed that a few years ago . I don't disagree its important, but I can only wait on their reply. We all do know there are 2 creams, I do not think there are 2 serums, I do think some vendors are not listing stuff right, and I've let them know. I do hope they fix it, but thats the best I can do. Copy my boxes ingredients for here and email them. |
I know many don't want my thoughts but for those that do, if it was all due to a film forming agent we all would have been instantly wrinkle free with the very first application.
Instead those of us having results are having a gradual fading of lines that so far has been cumulative in it's effect and I do not see a film former doing that!
I also see my face with nothing on after cleansing and it looks as good as with the products on so I know it is working for my skin! |
I don't agree with that, DM, just due to the fact that everyone has varying degrees in the depths of their wrinkles, which is why I said fine lines would disappear. The teller for me is that you look as good without the serum as with the serum on. That tells me it is more than a film former giving results (if there is truly any in the serum!).
I agree, Tiny, in that I don't think all the resellers have the correct ingredient list. Again, it will be nice to see what Reluma has to say on the subject. Thanks for emailing them. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:40 pm |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Lacy53 wrote: |
Does everyone have the same Serum though? Riley posted the ingredient list of her product, and stated they "don't match". Here's her ingredients for the Serum:
Human adipose derived stem cell conditioned media, water, glycerin, polysorbate 20, cellulose gum, phenoxyethanol, sodium PCA, DL Panthenol, allantoin.
I am just trying to make sure everyone is posting reviews for the same/identical serum (and yes, all the ingredients matter ... not just the first one IMO). |
Well thank you for being so concerned for us.
The comment of mine that you've taken out of context was in reference to rather "I FELT IT WAS A BIG DEAL TO USE OLD CREAM OR NEW". I don't, but I'd like to try the new.
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Water, Gylcerin, Polysorbate 20, Cellulose Gum, Phenoxyethanol, Sodium PCA, DL-Panthenol, Allontion.
Now since my bottle is clear and I am again on old cheaters, I think I have the list right.
I do trust this helps you Lacy
eta: all my exp dates ara May 2013 |
Tiny, perhaps you have forgotten this post from Page 1 of this thread?
From Truth in Aging:
Human Adipose Derived Stem Cell Conditioned Media, Water, Glycerin, Sodium PCA, DL-Panthenol, Hydroxy Ethyl Cellulose, Allantoin, Phenoxyethanol.
http://www.truthinaging.com/reluma-serum
So there you go; 3 different ingredient lists for the same ReLuma Serum (there's only one product called serum). Note where water is listed on each of those lists. I didn't bother to check the ingredients lists for other sellers; maybe it's more than 3. |
Lacy why are you doing this, no one has disputed you in the fact that INGREDIENTS ARE LISTED DIFFERENTLY at different sites? I've said I emailed them, I've copied FOR YOU, my ingredient list. What else do you require of me? Perhaps if this upsets you so, you can contact them yourself in the future. You have very curtly (I might add) pointed out 3 times, the various sites selling this product and their different ingredient list.
If you have further questions please address them to Re Luma, I prefer to not argue with you on this matter, I've not said anything contradictory to your FIRST POST!
Just because diff ingredients listed does not mean several serums, just means ingredients wrong. I've only seen an Newer version stated for cream |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:47 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Wish I could say mine were "fine" nothing "fine" about any wrinkles I have, they passed that a few years ago . I don't disagree its important, but I can only wait on their reply. We all do know there are 2 creams, I do not think there are 2 serums, I do think some vendors are not listing stuff right, and I've let them know. I do hope they fix it, but thats the best I can do. Copy my boxes ingredients for here and email them. |
I know many don't want my thoughts but for those that do, if it was all due to a film forming agent we all would have been instantly wrinkle free with the very first application.
Instead those of us having results are having a gradual fading of lines that so far has been cumulative in it's effect and I do not see a film former doing that!
I also see my face with nothing on after cleansing and it looks as good as with the products on so I know it is working for my skin! |
I don't agree with that, DM, just due to the fact that everyone has varying degrees in the depths of their wrinkles, which is why I said fine lines would disappear. The teller for me is that you look as good without the serum as with the serum on. That tells me it is more than a film former giving results (if there is truly any in the serum!).
I agree, Tiny, in that I don't think all the resellers have the correct ingredient list. Again, it will be nice to see what Reluma has to say on the subject. Thanks for emailing them. |
I did not expect an agreement Riley, but my lip lines were anything but fine and they are 75-80% improved along with firming I am happy it works for me and anyone that it does for.
I am not talking about tiny, barely noticeable fine lines at all. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:50 pm |
| Riley good test on the film, I can say with certainty I do not see better skin by merely applying the serum. My face is not any better 5 minutes later. If that is what that film will do, thanks for letting me know, I never knew that |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:02 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
| Wish I could say mine were "fine" nothing "fine" about any wrinkles I have, they passed that a few years ago . I don't disagree its important, but I can only wait on their reply. We all do know there are 2 creams, I do not think there are 2 serums, I do think some vendors are not listing stuff right, and I've let them know. I do hope they fix it, but thats the best I can do. Copy my boxes ingredients for here and email them. |
I know many don't want my thoughts but for those that do, if it was all due to a film forming agent we all would have been instantly wrinkle free with the very first application.
Instead those of us having results are having a gradual fading of lines that so far has been cumulative in it's effect and I do not see a film former doing that!
I also see my face with nothing on after cleansing and it looks as good as with the products on so I know it is working for my skin! |
I thought I was sufficiently clear in my post above (bold for clarity) if I were to skip a day or a morning or an evening, which has happened I still have the same results without anything at all on my face as I do with. |
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:53 pm |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I thought I was sufficiently clear in my post above (bold for clarity) if I were to skip a day or a morning or an evening, which has happened I still have the same results without anything at all on my face as I do with. |
As I thought I was sufficiently clear in my post above. Also bold for clarity.
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The teller for me is that you look as good without the serum as with the serum on. That tells me it is more than a film former giving results (if there is truly any in the serum!).
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:13 pm |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| DarkMoon wrote: |
I thought I was sufficiently clear in my post above (bold for clarity) if I were to skip a day or a morning or an evening, which has happened I still have the same results without anything at all on my face as I do with. |
As I thought I was sufficiently clear in my post above. Also bold for clarity.
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The teller for me is that you look as good without the serum as with the serum on. That tells me it is more than a film former giving results (if there is truly any in the serum!).
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OK I would have to call.....Communication Breakdown on this one. |
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:36 am |
Im just wondering is reluma the closest product to anteage in terms of real stem cells? What are the differences?? I currently have reluma and like it but im not good with the science aspect
thanks |
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:49 am |
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Im just wondering is reluma the closest product to anteage in terms of real stem cells? What are the differences?? I currently have reluma and like it but im not good with the science aspect
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That depends on which scientist you ask, hate to do this too you, but only you can answer that yourself. Here is a link with tons of info on it, science and otherwise, RL site is loaded with info as well and the cellese thread is loaded with info on their stem cells. Reading is the only way to find out which you prefer:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=45705
eta: Both are "real" stem cells, so is ISCO and AQ, all 4 of these products use "real" stem cells. Some of the controversy is over where in the body they come from. 3 companies us adipose (from fat) and one uses from bone marrow. hope that helps some |
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:45 am |
| Tiny wrote: |
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Im just wondering is reluma the closest product to anteage in terms of real stem cells? What are the differences?? I currently have reluma and like it but im not good with the science aspect
thanks |
That depends on which scientist you ask, hate to do this too you, but only you can answer that yourself. Here is a link with tons of info on it, science and otherwise, RL site is loaded with info as well and the cellese thread is loaded with info on their stem cells. Reading is the only way to find out which you prefer:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=45705
eta: Both are "real" stem cells, so is ISCO and AQ, all 4 of these products use "real" stem cells. Some of the controversy is over where in the body they come from. 3 companies us adipose (from fat) and one uses from bone marrow. hope that helps some |
Opps ISCO stem cells are not from adipose (fat) cells. I will ask that Pandal let us know what they are from, I get them all confused. Sorry for the mistake. |
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:39 pm |
The source of the stem cells for the Lifeline product is not adipose, but rather human unfertilized eggs. ISCO is using this source to develop a new line of stem cells that will match the majority of humans so that they can be used for medical purposes with no issues of rejection.
This is the source for ISCO! |
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Mon Jul 23, 2012 5:33 pm |
| nuttymadam wrote: |
Im just wondering is reluma the closest product to anteage in terms of real stem cells? What are the differences?? I currently have reluma and like it but im not good with the science aspect
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None of us are physicians  or biochemists but all the scientific information was posted on the ReLuma thread:
http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?tid=45705
I am with Tiny here whatever works for whoever I am thrilled for them, I am happy with the results from ReLuma so far! |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:08 am |
I must say I am amazed, my lip lines are still improving, I was thrilled with them looking like they did when they started, but this weekend, I had to seriously look in mirror to see them, yes they are still there, but fine lines now!!
most of us that have these, would keep every wrinkle on our face to get rid of these!!! |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:13 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
I must say I am amazed, my lip lines are still improving, I was thrilled with them looking like they did when they started, but this weekend, I had to seriously look in mirror to see them, yes they are still there, but fine lines now!!
most of us that have these, would keep every wrinkle on our face to get rid of these!!! |
You said it sister! I know I sure would keep every wrinkle if I could get rid of the lip lines! 
Does anyone know how long the small bottle of the Reluma serum typically lasts?
Just a little update from me. I have talked about my eczema patch before. It is normally 3-4 inches in length and about 1 inch wide on the side of my face. It normally is very red, scaly, and of course dry and itchy. I noticed today that it is about 1/2 the length and 1/2 the width. So the redness has really shrunk. Now, I think it is too early to say if this will last or not. Anyone who has eczema knows that it flares, then fades but my redness that I have on this patch of skin has been there for a long time. I have had things work on the itching (briefly) and the dryness (again briefly) but never on the redness. |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:34 pm |
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| Tiny wrote: |
I must say I am amazed, my lip lines are still improving, I was thrilled with them looking like they did when they started, but this weekend, I had to seriously look in mirror to see them, yes they are still there, but fine lines now!!
most of us that have these, would keep every wrinkle on our face to get rid of these!!! |
You said it sister! I know I sure would keep every wrinkle if I could get rid of the lip lines!
Does anyone know how long the small bottle of the Reluma serum typically lasts?
Just a little update from me. I have talked about my eczema patch before. It is normally 3-4 inches in length and about 1 inch wide on the side of my face. It normally is very red, scaly, and of course dry and itchy. I noticed today that it is about 1/2 the length and 1/2 the width. So the redness has really shrunk. Now, I think it is too early to say if this will last or not. Anyone who has eczema knows that it flares, then fades but my redness that I have on this patch of skin has been there for a long time. I have had things work on the itching (briefly) and the dryness (again briefly) but never on the redness. |
Riley I hope that stays, that has to bug you "ALMOST" AS MUCH as the lip lines!!  !
My serum (.70oz) last about 7.5 weeks to 8, I used it some days only once (but rarely) most days 2x's and evey so often 3x's, just due to the fact that I might of been outside working and showered mid-day |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:20 pm |
| Tiny wrote: |
Riley I hope that stays, that has to bug you "ALMOST" AS MUCH as the lip lines!! !
My serum (.70oz) last about 7.5 weeks to 8, I used it some days only once (but rarely) most days 2x's and evey so often 3x's, just due to the fact that I might of been outside working and showered mid-day |
Yes, the eczema patch is very irritating, and I hope it lasts, too.
Thank you, Tiny, for letting me know how long the bottle lasts. Do you use 1 pump at a time? I am using 1 pump twice a day. |
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Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:10 pm |
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Yes, the eczema patch is very irritating, and I hope it lasts, too.
Thank you, Tiny, for letting me know how long the bottle lasts. Do you use 1 pump at a time? I am using 1 pump twice a day. |
Riley - hope that eczema patch keeps improving. That is very good news. |
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Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:51 am |
| rileygirl wrote: |
| Tiny wrote: |
I must say I am amazed, my lip lines are still improving, I was thrilled with them looking like they did when they started, but this weekend, I had to seriously look in mirror to see them, yes they are still there, but fine lines now!!
most of us that have these, would keep every wrinkle on our face to get rid of these!!! |
You said it sister! I know I sure would keep every wrinkle if I could get rid of the lip lines!
Does anyone know how long the small bottle of the Reluma serum typically lasts?
Just a little update from me. I have talked about my eczema patch before. It is normally 3-4 inches in length and about 1 inch wide on the side of my face. It normally is very red, scaly, and of course dry and itchy. I noticed today that it is about 1/2 the length and 1/2 the width. So the redness has really shrunk. Now, I think it is too early to say if this will last or not. Anyone who has eczema knows that it flares, then fades but my redness that I have on this patch of skin has been there for a long time. I have had things work on the itching (briefly) and the dryness (again briefly) but never on the redness. |
I am chuffed for you. I hope it is a long lasting result rather than coincidence. I have some red dots on my face since laser many years ago. I am not sure if they are what were my freckles or broken caps. Some days I think they are shrinking, other days I am not sure.
I looked at my bottles and in regards to serum and moisturiser I think it looks like I Have Half a bottle of each left. Mostly I use 1 pump of each 2x a day. Sometimes more especially after PMD. I have been using for about 5 weeks. So I would gestimate the same usage again.HTH. |
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