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Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:09 am  |
anyone tried bioeffect egf serum from boots? It seems to be very popular This serum took 10 years for research and Two of the scientists for BioEffect took a Nobel price for research 
Right now the serum is on sale http://www.teambuy.ca/calgary/28136396 Hmmmmm should I? ....125 instead of 250
15 hours more to think about it |
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havana8
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:26 am |
| Thamks Havana haven't seen it |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:08 am |
| talyta wrote: |
anyone tried bioeffect egf serum from boots? It seems to be very popular This serum took 10 years for research and Two of the scientists for BioEffect took a Nobel price for research
Right now the serum is on sale http://www.teambuy.ca/calgary/28136396 Hmmmmm should I? ....125 instead of 250
15 hours more to think about it |
That's $125 for 1/2 oz. My goodness, the idea of what "the market will bear" is getting old IMO. |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 10:34 am |
| Frodo wrote: |
| talyta wrote: |
anyone tried bioeffect egf serum from boots? It seems to be very popular This serum took 10 years for research and Two of the scientists for BioEffect took a Nobel price for research
Right now the serum is on sale http://www.teambuy.ca/calgary/28136396 Hmmmmm should I? ....125 instead of 250
15 hours more to think about it |
That's $125 for 1/2 oz. My goodness, the idea of what "the market will bear" is getting old IMO. |
Only if it were pure gold....then it would be a steal at that price!  |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 1:09 pm |
| talyta wrote: |
anyone tried bioeffect egf serum from boots? It seems to be very popular This serum took 10 years for research and Two of the scientists for BioEffect took a Nobel price for research
Right now the serum is on sale http://www.teambuy.ca/calgary/28136396 Hmmmmm should I? ....125 instead of 250
15 hours more to think about it |
This what the company is saying now? Wow, that's brash. The guy who won the Nobel prize for his lifetime of work on EGF was Stanley Cohen, PhD. He never worked for Bioeffect. In fact, the major thrust of the work was identifying the role it plays in cancer progression, and how to manipulate the EGF receptors to cut off cancers from growing., The EGF serum does just the opposite. If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread. This not the kind of thing they give Nobel Prizes for.
There is a growing trend to make inferences about Nobel Prizes to make a company or its products look better. It's a total flim flam. If Bioeffect is doing that, shame on them. |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 2:48 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
| talyta wrote: |
anyone tried bioeffect egf serum from boots? It seems to be very popular This serum took 10 years for research and Two of the scientists for BioEffect took a Nobel price for research
Right now the serum is on sale http://www.teambuy.ca/calgary/28136396 Hmmmmm should I? ....125 instead of 250
15 hours more to think about it |
This what the company is saying now? Wow, that's brash. The guy who won the Nobel prize for his lifetime of work on EGF was Stanley Cohen, PhD. He never worked for Bioeffect. In fact, the major thrust of the work was identifying the role it plays in cancer progression, and how to manipulate the EGF receptors to cut off cancers from growing., The EGF serum does just the opposite. If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread. This not the kind of thing they give Nobel Prizes for.
There is a growing trend to make inferences about Nobel Prizes to make a company or its products look better. It's a total flim flam. If Bioeffect is doing that, shame on them. |
Here's the article on BFT:
http://barefacedtruth.com/2011/11/29/controversy-bioeffect-transgenic-egf/
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http://barefacedtruth.com/2012/01/06/a-tale-of-two-ethics/ |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:00 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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Dr. J are you saying that 50% of people over 50 will get skin cancer or 50% of the people over 50 who get skin cancer have a skin cancer that crops up before you can see it? |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 3:46 pm |
| jom wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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Dr. J are you saying that 50% of people over 50 will get skin cancer or 50% of the people over 50 who get skin cancer have a skin cancer that crops up before you can see it? |
50% of all people who live to age 65 get skin cancer at least once.
By the time you get to 85, it is about 80-90%.
They all start microscopically (a single cell gone rogue) so they all start before they are visible to the naked eye.
That is the background, or context, into which Bioeffect sells it's "Nobel Prize winning" stuff.
Does this make anyone else peeved? |
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Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:25 pm |
| DrJ wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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Dr. J are you saying that 50% of people over 50 will get skin cancer or 50% of the people over 50 who get skin cancer have a skin cancer that crops up before you can see it? |
50% of all people who live to age 65 get skin cancer at least once.
By the time you get to 85, it is about 80-90%.
They all start microscopically (a single cell gone rogue) so they all start before they are visible to the naked eye.
That is the background, or context, into which Bioeffect sells it's "Nobel Prize winning" stuff.
Does this make anyone else peeved? |
To put it bluntly in response to your question.....HELL YES!!!!! |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:17 am |
| DrJ wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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Dr. J are you saying that 50% of people over 50 will get skin cancer or 50% of the people over 50 who get skin cancer have a skin cancer that crops up before you can see it? |
50% of all people who live to age 65 get skin cancer at least once.
By the time you get to 85, it is about 80-90%.
They all start microscopically (a single cell gone rogue) so they all start before they are visible to the naked eye.
That is the background, or context, into which Bioeffect sells it's "Nobel Prize winning" stuff.
Does this make anyone else peeved? |
Hey DrJ,
What's your source of info on that? The CDC lists skin cancer rates as being way lower than what you cited above:
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/state.htm |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:14 am |
| cm5597 wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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50% of all people who live to age 65 get skin cancer at least once. By the time you get to 85, it is about 80-90%.
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Hey DrJ,
What's your source of info on that? The CDC lists skin cancer rates as being way lower than what you cited above:
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/state.htm |
Hi CM; the information from the CDC is for melanoma skin cancers only. This is from the National Cancer Institute:
Sun Protection and Cancer
The number of new cases of melanoma skin cancer increased between 1975 and 2006, with an estimated number of 68,720 new cases in 2009. More than one million people are diagnosed with basal cell and squamous cell (non-melanoma) skin cancer in the United States every year. Basal and squamous cell cancers are the two most common types of skin cancers in the country. Although 40–50 percent of Americans who live to age 65 will have non-melanoma at least once, most of these cancers, as well as melanoma skin cancers, can be prevented.
More information here:
http://progressreport.cancer.gov/doc_detail.asp?pid=1&did=2007&chid=71&coid=711&mid+= |
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:39 am |
| Thank you, Lacy! That's great and exactly what I was looking for. The CDC web page said it was listing the "Skin Cancer Rates" by state, but I see now that you are right, that what was implied by the title was "Skin Cancer Rates When Considering Melanomas Only" (didn't know about melanoma vs non-melanoma). The classification of skin cancers is new to me--not an area that I really know anything about--so thanks for the links! |
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Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:21 am |
| DrJ wrote: |
| jom wrote: |
| DrJ wrote: |
If a skin cancer crops up (before you can even see it, as it does in 50% of people over 50), unbalanced EGF will cause to proliferate and spread.
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Dr. J are you saying that 50% of people over 50 will get skin cancer or 50% of the people over 50 who get skin cancer have a skin cancer that crops up before you can see it? |
50% of all people who live to age 65 get skin cancer at least once.
By the time you get to 85, it is about 80-90%.
They all start microscopically (a single cell gone rogue) so they all start before they are visible to the naked eye.
That is the background, or context, into which Bioeffect sells it's "Nobel Prize winning" stuff.
Does this make anyone else peeved? |
*First time commenter here! Go easy...*
I appreciate your sentiment and passion, Dr. J, I do, but I find the histrionics a bit unwarranted. To my knowledge, Bioeffect has never marketed themselves as having "Nobel-prize winning" scientists in their employ. If their "story'" has been misinterpreted by bloggers/beauty journalists, that is unfortunate. But, as is protocol in the biotech/biochem fields, scientists conduct research building on previously conducted scientific studies. The PhD's behind Bioeffect were working with growth factors for medical research, building on the Nobel-prize winning discovery of EGF by Drs. Stanley Cohen and Rita Levi-Montalcini. Their years of research in the lab — isolating and growing different growth factors, and reproducing them in barley for medical research) — actually preceded them finding a topical anti-aging application for the oligopeptide in their serum. Sourcing the origins of their scientific research is common practice in science. I personally don't think its anything to be peeved about, nor worthy of anyone whipping consumers into a frenzy, while crying ‘foul.’
For what it's worth, I've used your own products - Cellese' AnteAGE Duo and thought they were nice! After reading every last word written on barefacedtruth since its launch – I patiently waited for a year+ for you to release your own regenerative, anti-aging products that had the “Doctor's Seal of Approval!’” I'm saying all this so you can see me as someone who has quietly stood on the sidelines these last few years (through EDS, Truthinaging, your own blog, etc) — through the drama, the disclosing, the back and forth, the smearing, before coming to my own conclusions. I love what you and Dr. George are doing at barefacedtruthing, serving as watchdogs of the beauty bizz. And I LOVE how you freely interact with readers and generously answer our questions. As the daughter of health care professionals, I understand how every second you spend distilling knowledge and information is time not spent on some other worthy endeavor (therefore, I'm grateful for your efforts). And what I'm going to say next is not meant to be harsh nor hurtful, so please hear me out (meaning, avoid the impulse to attack or hate me…). Here goes: Not every player out there in the skincare industry is your enemy. Not everyone is worthy of your colorful, grammatically vivacious, beautifully constructed snark. I think you should be a messenger of truth and integrity! Few are as equipped as you to do that. The more you disparage, deride and let your 'peeved feelings' set the agenda — the more you subject yourself to the same intra-industry scrutiny.
Which reminds me…
In closing, I'll pose you this (rhetorical) question. In the course of marketing your own skincare line, did you not once fall prey to the kind of exaggeration, overstatement, marketing/scientific-fluffery/obfuscation that you so passionately call out on other brands? My own experience with Cellese, while nice, failed to live up to the expectations built up for me, largely informed by you, your claims and controlled studies, and primarily, the statements your company enforces on its website; for instance, "AngeAGE bathes your skin with the same Stem Cell Signals that rejuvenated your cells as a child." My skin tolerated the products well, but showed minimal to fair improvements in fine lines, pigmentation or pore-size over the course of 3 months using the duo. My facial skin cells hardly (thankfully) became rejuvenated as they were when I was a child. Furthermore, your products extract the (very effective) mesenchymcal cytokine molecules from human stem cells, but until CYTOKINES become a high-octane beauty buzzword, I understand why you’d choose the simpler verbiage ‘Stem Cell Signals’.
I'm not faulting the way you market your products. I fully understand why you say what you do… I just don’t understand why it’s only okay for you to use those tactics, and not other companies.
Again, no hate intended. I appreciate your work. I'm just saying…
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